Former FBI Agent Dan Vogel Should Testify About the OKC Bombing

CBS 60 Minutes II, Daily Oklahoman, New American Magazine, Channel 8 Dallas ^ | May 9, 2002 | Patick B. Briley

[OKCSubmariner]

FYI

[OKCSubmariner]

FYI

[demkicker]

WOW, this is a powerful read!

Out of curiosity, what's your take on the involvement of McVeigh & Nichols? Were they a couple of framed hayseeds, or were they lured into participating in this abomination?

[Michael Barnes]

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[Donald Stone]

BUMP!!!!!!

[OKCSubmariner]

FYI

[Betty Jo]

Keep it up !

[Betty Jo]

The Larry Johnson that you mention above was on FOXNEWS earlier this afternoon commenting on another topic, Atta and Prague.

Another talking head that you know,Laurie Myloire was on FOX John Gibson at 5:00PM eastern today talking about the invasion plan for Iraq.

As you know, both of these people have recently been on FOXNEWS speaking to the Iraq connection to the OKC Murrah Bombing!

Oakie, I dont know how much of what you say is right, but I guess its about 99.9 % on the money! Keep up the good work!

[archy]

Also at the same time Vogel received the Middle Eastern connection evidence in OKC, former OKC bombing inspector for the FBI, Danny Defenbaugh of the Dallas FBI office was using Dallas police officers to track AlQaeda , Hamas and Abu Nidal terrorists in and out of Dallas and across the world. This was reported by Valerie Williams of Channel 8 in Dallas in 1998 and 1999. I have the transcript of the Channel 8 broadcast and I spoke to Valerie Williams about the Channel 8 coverage in 1999. I also last week spoke to Byron Harris at Channel 8 who once again confirmed the Defenbaugh coverage by Channel 8. Harris did a story on Channel 8 about the Middle Eastern connections to the OKC bombing in March 2002. Channel 8’s coverage has been excellent and outstanding in my opinion

We know of at least one matter that David Koresh had investigated in hopes of keeping the BATF from causing him any further legal problems after he was found not guilty in his first court case: the BATF [then called ATTU] involvement in the JFK investigation in Dallas in November of 1963.

I wonder if the involvement and direction of Middle Eastern terrorists by FBI/BATF personnel, either as a rogue operation or under orders from Washington, would have been a further matter of inquiry for him. It would certainly explain why Koresh had to be killed on the spot before he could ever reach a courtroom, along with as many of the witnesses to whom he might have spilled the beans, and why the structures and any documentation he had gathered had to be burned to the ground.

-archy-/-

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for sharing the theory, archy!

And thank you for all the information, OKCSubmariner!

I still lean to the WMD theory as the best fit for the evidence at Waco; however, it appears to me that there was ME involvement in OKC and it needs to be fully explored - especially in light of the current war on terrorism.

[honway]

An excellent article. Thanks for this post.

[honway]

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b1aa4cb0517.htm

Link

"A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City last April was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons.

Sources close to the Pentagon study say Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot." The multiple bombings have a Middle Eastern "signature," pointing to either Iraqi or Syrian involvement."

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The quote is from an article in the 3-20-1996 Strategic Investment Newsletter. At the time, William Colby, former CIA Director, was an editor for the publication. I believe his status as editor contributes to the credibility of the article.

Maybe the Pentagon Report had it right back in 1996. Not much else was said about the report after Colby died in a canoe accident four weeks after the above article appeared in his newsletter.

[demkicker]

After reading several reports about the OKC Bombing, it's glaringly obvious that McVeigh and Nichols weren't the only two involved in the bombing. Since McVeigh has been killed before this sinister plot is revealed, I wonder if Nichols will be able to shed further light before he's silenced forever by the needle?

For instance, unless Nichols and McVeigh were in cahoots with others, how does anyone explain the perfect timing of other bombs exploding simultaneously with their fertilizer bomb? If McVeigh and Nichols were indeed working alone and oblivious to other involvement, it's a stretch to believe that Big Brother was monitoring them closely enough that the blasts triggered at once.

I find it hard to believe that McVeigh & Nichols acted alone. IMO, they've been threatened into silence, ala Jack Ruby. There's no doubt that Big Brother is out there listening and often murdering, but the timing on this one reeks of a conspiracy between McVeigh, Nichols and one or more people they trusted. I seriously doubt we'll ever know the real truth. That's my take....

[Tymesup]

If Koresh knew something about ME terrorists (or anything else), why not take him out directly? Or was somebody trying to get two birds with one stone?

Similarly, what changed in the middle of April that the decision to go in with the tanks was made? The only thing that comes to mind is the Davidians were almost out of water and would have to come out.

[Tymesup]

I think there was discussion on other threads that perhaps McVeigh's bomb triggered the other bombs and that they weren't simultaneous.

[Alamo-Girl]

I believe Waco was "taken down" in the manner that it was because they had no other choice - i.e. Koresh and a select few had WMDs and will to use them. There are many reasons for this, one of which you noted - here's another:

St. Louis Post-Dispatch 1/29/2000 Terry Ganey "..... Most chilling of all, Sgt. Barry reports: "Their operators had penetrated the building on several occasions, and on one occasion, late April 17 or early on the 18th, they saw Koresh within six feet of them. They radioed back to the Tactical Operations Center for permission to grab him, and within minutes the word came back from the Justice Department, 'No, we already have a plan in place,' that being what happened on April 19." ..." The joint chiefs were contacted on March 2nd with a document marked "secret specat." Six days later, top secret robots were sent to Waco. They already had the complex bugged for voice, so I suspect the top secret robots had a different function, something relating to detecting WMDs.

As you noted, they began flash-banging the people who were trying to leave, put up concertina wire and began monitoring the water.

The April 14th second briefing with Reno (who has a degree in Chemisty) included Dr Harry Salem chief scientist for life sciences at the U.S. Army Chemical Biological Defense Command, Col Boykin of Delta Force and Gen. Schoomarker, who had once headed the Army's secret anti-terrorist unit Delta Force and was later at the U.S. Special Forces Command at Macdill Air Force Base in Florida.

[Red Jones]

gosh alamo-girl, you've done so much research, we're so glad you share it here, so that we can catch a clue; I think you've nailed the motivation on Waco. This extra fact that Dr. Salem was included in the meeting of April 14 with Reno certainly backs up that theory.

But let me say this about OKC, we have so much evidence that there were multiple bombs, including 2 yellow truck bombs and other bombs inside the building strapped to columns that all went up together. If you have significant education in physics and structural engineering you understand right away that 1 yellow truck bomb ten feet from the building couldn't possibly have done that damage as the force of the explosion dissipates so quickly with distance. And then we have the photographic evidence that shows the pattern of damage in some spots could only have occurred due to a bomb placed on the column in the building. There was 1 engineering firm in California, another in Oklahoma and others who have looked at this and concluded it to be ridiculous that 1 yellow truck bomb caused this damage. Yet our media sticks with the fiction.

There is only one conclusion. We live in a fascist country where lies are normal, where our media go along with the lies, where policemen harass those who try to tell the truth and where our people bury their heads in the sand out of cowardice.

This is an atmosphere where great evil can thrive.