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To: Patriotman
Can anyone please cite for me the last time a law was written that limited the power and authority of government, rather than limiting citizens or permitting government to expand its reach?

The Constitution's last was the 11th Amendment (1804). It says that the courts can't be used for state vs. state (or foreign state vs. US) suits. The 13th (1865) started the horrendous trend of "Congress shall have power to enforce..."

8 posted on 05/11/2002 9:23:33 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Patriotman; Teacher317; Dog Gone; Reaganwuzthebest
This bill is unconstitutional. It's communist and these councilmen should be charged with violating their oath of office by not holding up to the U.S. Constitution. Can you just imagine that the government could come in these homes anytime they want to without no warrant.

The 13th [amendment] (1865) started the horrendous trend of "Congress shall have power to enforce..."

Maryland is basically a communist country, so this doesn't seem too out of character for it.

[Communist or monarchist maybe; the effect is about the same. See Maryland's Flag History http://www.sos.state.md.us/sos/flagprot/html/intro.html ]

What is it about the state of Maryland? They're making NY and Massachussetts look conservative. I guess all those wacky liberals who work in DC have to live somewhere.

I didn't intend to spend all day on the 'net, but I ran into this thread on FR (the only one I've looked at in days) and got sidetracked by Teacher317's comment about the 13th Amendment. I did a search for the Missing 13th Amendment at AOL and started following links, and ended up killing many hours. Today Maryland is apparently a far cry from its republican roots, and ironically, Maryland was the first state to ratify the original, and what is now known by some as the MISSING 13th Amendment.:

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The Original Thirteenth Amendment: Titles of Nobility and Honour, An Essay

Introduction

"In a Republic, Luxury and Corruption of Morals are said to be the invariable precursors of national dissolution," said Samuel F. Jarvis, in an address to the members of Phi Beta Kappa in 1806. "It is no less true that the perversion of national taste, and the disrelish for the solid attainments of science evince a degeneracy in Learning, Morals and Religion."

Four years after Mr. Jarvis made that speech, on the Thirtieth anniversary of the founding of Phi Beta Kappa, the State Legislature of Maryland was preparing to take an extraordinary step. Meeting on Christmas Day in 1810, this body ratified the original Thirteenth Amendment, prohibiting Titles of Nobility and Honour and describing a Draconian penalty for its violation:
"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

"The cause of learning is intimately connected to the cause of virtue," said Jarvis to the members of Phi Beta Kappa. Published by Oliver Steele & Company of New Haven, Jarvis' Oration is rather typical of the "federalist" thinking of the men of New Haven in this era, including both scholars and sailors who were prospering under the new Constitution. Seventeen states were now represented in Congress, and the frontier was at the border of the Indiana Territory and Ohio, which had been admitted to the union in 1803. So, too, the town green and the New England town meeting were being replicated widely in Ohio, as was the principle of `republicanism'. Plain and simple manners, Bible-based education, and state governments drastically limited by local control and a profound concern for property rights, are the hallmarks of these frontier republicans."......... (Link http://www.freedomdomain.com/orig13th01.html )

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.........TITLES OF NOBILITY

In seeking to rule the world and destroy the United States, bankers committed many crimes. Foremost among these crimes were fraud, conversion, and plain old theft. To escape prosecution for their crimes, the bankers did the same thing any career criminal does. They hired and formed alliances with the best lawyers and judges money could buy. These alliances, originally forged in Europe (particularly in Great Britain), spread to the colonies, and later into the newly formed United States of America.

Despite their criminal foundation, these alliances generated wealth, and ultimately, respectability. Like any modern member of organized crime, English bankers and lawyers wanted to be admired as "legitimate businessmen". As their criminal fortunes grew so did their usefulness, so the British monarchy legitimized these thieves by granting them "titles of nobility".

Historically, the British peerage system referred to knights as "Squires" and to those who bore the knight's shields as "Esquires". As lances, shields, and physical violence gave way to the more civilized means of theft, the pen grew mightier (and more profitable) than the sword, and the clever wielders of those pens (bankers and lawyers) came to hold titles of nobility. The most common title was "Esquire" (used, even today, by some lawyers).

INTERNATIONAL BAR ASSOCIATION

In Colonial America, attorneys trained attorneys but most held no "title of nobility" or "honor". There was no requirement that one be a lawyer to hold the position of district attorney, attorney general, or judge; a citizen's "counsel of choice" was not restricted to a lawyer; there were no state or national bar associations. The only organization that certified lawyers was the International Bar Association (IBA), chartered by the King of England, headquartered in London, and closely associated with the international banking system. Lawyers admitted to the IBA received the rank "Esquire" -- a "title of nobility". "Esquire" was the principle title of nobility which the Thirteenth Amendment sought to prohibit from the United States. Why? Because the loyalty of "Esquire" lawyers was suspect. Bankers and lawyers with an "Esquire" behind their names were agents of the monarchy, members of an organization whose principle purposes were political, not economic, and regarded with the same wariness that some people today reserve for members of the KGB or the CIA.

Article 1, Sect. 9 of the Constitution sought to prohibit the International Bar Association (or any other agency that granted titles of nobility) from operating in America. But the Constitution neglected to specify a penalty, so the prohibition was ignored, and agents of the monarchy continued to infiltrate and influence the government (as in the Jay Treaty and the US Bank charter incidents). Therefore, a "title of nobility" amendment that specified a penalty (loss of citizenship) was proposed in 1789, and again in 1810. The meaning of the amendment is seen in its intent to prohibit persons having titles of nobility and loyalties to foreign governments and bankers from voting, holding public office, or using their skills to subvert the government.

HONOR

The missing Amendment is referred to as the "title of nobility" Amendment, but the second prohibition against "honour" (honor), may be more significant. According to David Dodge, Tom Dunn, and Webster's Dictionary, the archaic definition of "honor" (as used when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified) meant anyone "obtaining or having an advantage or privilege over another". A contemporary example of an "honor" granted to only a few Americans is the privilege of being a judge: Lawyers can be judges and exercise the attendant privileges and powers; non-lawyers cannot.

By prohibiting "honors", the missing Amendment prohibits any advantage or privilege that would grant some citizens an unequal opportunity to achieve or exercise political power. Therefore, the second meaning (intent) of the Thirteenth Amendment was to ensure political equality among all American citizens, by prohibiting anyone, even government officials, from claiming or exercising a special privilege or power (an "honor") over other citizens. See Titles of Nobility - DEFINITIONS

If this interpretation is correct, "honor" would be the key concept in the Thirteenth Amendment. Why? Because, while "titles of nobility" may no longer apply in today's political system, the concept of "honor" remains relevant. For example, anyone who had a specific "immunity" from lawsuits which were not afforded to all citizens, would be enjoying a separate privilege, an "honor", and would therefore forfeit his right to vote or hold public office. Think of the "immunities" from lawsuits that our judges, lawyers, politicians, and bureaucrats currently enjoy. As another example, think of all the "special interest" legislation our government passes: "special interests" are simply euphemisms for "special privileges" (honors). WHAT IF? (Implications if Restored)

If the missing Thirteenth Amendment were restored, "special interests" and "immunities" might be rendered unconstitutional. The prohibition against "honors" (privileges) would compel the entire government to operate under the same laws as the citizens of this nation. Without their current personal immunities (honors), our judges and I.R.S. agents would be unable to abuse common citizens without fear of legal liability. If this Thirteenth

Amendment were restored, our entire government would have to conduct itself according to the same standards of decency, respect, law, and liability as the rest of the nation. If this Amendment and the term "honor" were applied today, our government's ability to systematically coerce and abuse the public would be all but eliminated. Imagine! A government without special privileges or immunities. How could we describe it? It would be ... almost like ... a government ... of the people ... by the people ... for the people! Imagine: a government ... whose members were truly accountable to the public; a government that could not systematically exploit its own people! It's unheard of ... it's never been done before. Not ever in the entire history of the world............

Wake Up America/The Missing Thirteenth Amendment http://www.wakeuptotruth.com/orig13th.htm

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From another page:

TITLES OF NOBILITY" AND "HONOR"

In the winter of 1983, archival research expert David Dodge, and former Baltimore police investigator Tom Dunn, were searching for evidence of government corruption in public records stored in the Belfast Library on the coast of Maine. By chance, they discovered the library's oldest authentic copy of the Constitution of the United States (printed in 1825). Both men were stunned to see this document included a 13th Amendment that no longer appears on current copies of the Constitution. Moreover, after studying the Amendment's language and historical context, they realized the principle intent of this "missing" 13th Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in government.

So began a seven year, nationwide search for the truth surrounding the most bizarre Constitutional puzzle in American history -- the unlawful removal of a ratified Amendment from the Constitution of the United States. Since 1983, Dodge and Dunn have uncovered additional copies of the Constitution with the "missing" 13th Amendment printed in at least eighteen separate publications by ten different states and territories over four decades from 1822 to 1860.

In June of this year, Dodge uncovered the evidence that this missing 13th Amendment had indeed been lawfully ratified by the state of Virginia and was therefore an authentic Amendment to the American Constitution. If the evidence is correct and no logical errors have been made, a 13th Amendment restricting lawyers from serving in government was ratified in 1819 and removed from our Constitution during the tumult of the Civil War.

Since the Amendment was never lawfully repealed, it is still the Law today. The implications are enormous....... http://www.mindprism.com/__thirteenth_/13th-01.html

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"..........Add to those categories the honest lawyer, the true patriot, Admirals like Jeremy "Mike" Boorda and common soldiers like Michael New. The original Thirteenth Amendment was intended to give these persons -- amongst all of our people, the American citizenry -- the protective mantle or cloak that the early federalists would have called "civic virtue."

It is not visible but it is luminous just the same. It is not a heavy garment, but it is -- without any doubt -- the strongest material ever known. It may not save a life in every instance but it allows a man, or a woman, to give their life for their country, and to die with their honor intact.

It is -- finally -- a clear indicator that this struggle, between the Secret Armies loyal to various factions who now seek hegemony on the Global Plantation, and the forces of Liberty loyal to the people, is a fight to the death, a Cultural War, as one witty fellow once put it, on a podium in Houston. Those who love Liberty also love republicanism, and will see new merit in the old words of Madison, Hamilton and their crew; and they will find old wisdom in the design of Article V, and write new words that will restore what was stolen, and will overturn the many usurpations of the so-called Fourteenth Amendment. The digital age is an age of corrections of the old, as well as of discovery of the new. Information widely compared will generate truth!

And if this is not true, then the many destructions of war, as is being carried on by the Secret Armies, is all that is left of the American patrimony. The message in that fact is so grim:

What the American people have lost was taken from them by stealth and in a time of national turmoil: It is and was robbery, felonious conspiracy, and treason. The Secret Armies of the royal families -- including by not limited to the oligarchy of Mexico, the Sultan of Brunei and the Hollywood Aristocracy -- will continue to operate against the people of these States united, will continue to manipulate the money and disguise their ambitions in high-falutin' language, will continue to wreck, suborn, or otherwise disable what remains of this great Republic. And when their work is finally done, they will turn upon their creation -- the Anarchy of Lawyers and the tyranny of administrative judges that they support -- and bitter indeed will be the grief and the howling of that day of settlements, when the price of treason is paid in full. "

End of Chapter 6

Patriotman, you highlighted all the right stuff. That former Sierra Club guy, and NWO John Hopkins (according to John Coleman: THE COMMITTEE OF 300), "safe communities", probably all tie into the UN disarmament plan, Agenda 21, Smart Growth/Wildlands Project/rural cleansing, etc. etc. Note it's a PILOT project: four communities today, the state tomorrow, and finally ALL the states. Joan Veon (ninehundred.net)(?) has written articles contending that a lot of this stuff, if not most, comes from Prince Charles of the British Monarchy, The "Sustainable" Prince, as she calls him, who works behind the scenes (the queen hasn't given him "the honor of the kingdom") feeding this stuff to the UN, which passes it down to their minions in our government. She also points out that the British Monarchy contends that their roots go back to King David (the big lie, I think), and the rulers of Jerusalem and Babylon (this I believe). Princess Diana, on the other hand, who supposedly had more "royal" blood than her in-laws, always referred to them as "the Germans" (my grandmother was an immigrant from Germany which makes me 1/4 German descent, so I don't hate Germans ). I saw Charles' pedigree one time; if true, he is related to a lot of bloody tyrants, the lot of them, as I remember, including the ruler of the "Holy" "Roman" (German) Empire.

Rather than being descended from King David, their actions reveal them to be more like the TRIBE OF DAN http://watch.pair.com/dan.html and the Merovingians http://watch.pair.com/merovingian.html. I was in a flag shop this weekend. It was pretty amazing to see all the very similar eagles (the tribe of Dan apparently refused the serpent God designateds them with, and replaced it with the eagle) and the very similar lions (including the one that looked an awful lot like England's standing lion (the lion is the symbol of the tribe of Judah and of God and Jesus Christ). Satan, the imposter and deceiver, is described as going about like a roaring lion, and as a ravening lion. This lion on the flag of Iran or Iraq, was on three paws and holding a raised, curved sword in the other paw. (The tribe of Dan took over the city of Laish, which means lion.) I went to Busch Gardens a while back and noticed the flag in the "Germany" parking lot flew a banner with a two-headed eagle. I saw a large model of a Viking ship on a trip to Baltimore, and the flag had an eagle with outstretched wings very similar to the eagle on the U.S. seal. Vikings were whom I thought of when I first read Judges 18.

Interesting thing here: when I looked up "Dan" in one of my bibles, this is what it said: "1. Dan, the fifth son of Jacob. 2. A city in the N of Palestine, identified with Tell al-Qadi, to which the Danites migrated. Jeroboam established idolatry there."

"Qadi

Arabic: qâdiyy

[Means] Judge in Islam, whose responsibility is restricted to issues connected to religion. A qadi must be a man educated in Islamic science, and his performance must be totally congruent with Sharia without using his own interpretation...." http://i-cias.com/cgi-bin/eo-direct.pl?tel_aviv.htm

".......One sees traces of many non-Muslim juridical systems in the Sharia, such as Old Arab Bedouin law, commercial law from Mecca, agrarian law from Madina, law from the conquered countries, Roman law and Jewish law. Calling the Sharia 'law' can be misleading, as Sharia extends beyond law. Sharia is the totality of religious, political, social, domestic and private life.........." "The regulations of the Sharia can be divided into two groups:

regulations on worship and ritual duties
regulations of juridical and political nature ............."

Sharia http://lexicorient.com/e.o/sharia.htm

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May 16, 2002

I've been holding on to the above, debating on whether to post it. In light of things I've seen on the news (I haven't been on FR since working on the above), I've decided to post it now because my computer is partially hung up and I have to reboot. I'm not even sure if this will make it on-line. I've tried to find out more about Tell al-Qadi. Maybe Thinkin'Gal knows more?

65 posted on 05/16/2002 11:52:18 AM PDT by Ethan_Allen
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