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I think he was stalking - which raises the question how they traced him. Maybe just following in a car, maybe more.

Another paper said that he was seen with two others in "Breda."

Immediate reports from eyewitnesses at the radio studio site "have spoken of seeing militant-type figures at the media park where the Dutch station is located." Link.

This fellow apparently works an environmentalist extortion racket for money from farmers.

He was trained from the beginning. When arrested he would only give out his name and a demand for two lawyers by name. His wife and family have closed their mouths - not even sympathy expressed.

IMO money, and somethng bigger than just a lone nut may be involved. Money payments to the family perhaps? He only faces a 20 year sentence. Amazingly, the max penalty for one murder.

1 posted on 05/11/2002 7:04:42 PM PDT by Shermy
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Ping.
2 posted on 05/11/2002 7:09:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy, knighthawk
Wow, Shermy, this gets weirder and weirder....and van der Graaf might be a serial killer? Shudder.
3 posted on 05/11/2002 7:10:32 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Shermy
The party may not be a force for long, however, and some question whether it should continue at all. Fortuyn's brother Marten said it should be dissolved. "Pim is the party and the party is Pim," he said.

Seems conservatives everywhere can't seem to stay on top and survive and fight with consistency. I hope this was not a casual phenomenon and they revert to type as the result of the death of Fortuyn. It seems conservatives in Holland come out only when they latch on to a leader and disolve when they lose one.

This is an opportunity for the right if they play it right. Hopefully someone with brains will take advantage of the situation and move the movement forward.

4 posted on 05/11/2002 7:16:46 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Shermy
BTTT
5 posted on 05/11/2002 7:23:45 PM PDT by facedown
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To: Shermy
What's with the enviro-wackies?

The 'pipe bombing kid' wrote a diatribe about environmental destruction by American industry and could have killed post office employees (or ordinary citizens.)

Al Gore's role model, the Unabomber, was an enviro-nut and HE killed people.

The tree-nuts in the Northwest 'spike' trees to kill or maim loggers.

Others are not too concerned whether people and crops get the water they need to live.

Now this loony.

One could infer with reason that the enviros are worshipping a very perverse god...

7 posted on 05/11/2002 7:40:05 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Shermy
There are useful idiots, and then there are VERY useful idiots.
8 posted on 05/11/2002 7:44:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Shermy
He was trained from the beginning. When arrested he would only give out his name and a demand for two lawyers by name. His wife and family have closed their mouths

That's how it looks to me- the guy's an assassin.

13 posted on 05/12/2002 1:43:09 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Shermy; Catspaw
The Dutch forums are filled with people saying it was a conspiracy.

According to one guy on a forum, the two others that were sighted in Breda were from the ALF and the other was from the international socialists. But the newspaper that filmed them doesn't want to cooperate with police. Noting is certain in that direction.

The BVD, the Dutch NSA, said from the beginning Volkert van der Graaf never did anything suspecious, but newspapers soon found out he was terrorizing farmers and freeing animals at night.

And now this other murder.

Also Peter R. de Vries, crime reporter, said this guy knew how to shoot. He told yesterday that he went to shoot 9mm on a range and said he wasn't able to hit 5 times in quick succession from a small distance like Volkert van der Graaf did.

Also Peter R. de Vries recieved hundered of email to investigate the case himself. De Vries also managed to prove the innocence of two man who were convicted wrongfully for rape and murder.

Also another politcian, the new leader of Livable Netherlands, Fred Teeven (a chief of police) said he wanted to supervize the police investigation.

14 posted on 05/12/2002 3:17:07 AM PDT by knighthawk
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To: thud
A Facist murder conspiracy ping?
19 posted on 05/12/2002 5:09:53 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Shermy; knighthawk
What were the firearms used in the murders of Fortuyn and of this environment officer?
20 posted on 05/12/2002 5:17:37 AM PDT by aristeides
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"This fellow apparently works an environmentalist extortion racket for money from farmers."

Are these environmental thugs in the mold of the Extortion King, Jesse Jackson?

24 posted on 05/12/2002 9:46:15 AM PDT by friendly
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To: Shermy
Like Fortuyn, Van de Werken was killed with 9mm silver-tip hollow-point bullets, a rare form of ammunition similar to dumdum bullets.

What can the FR handgun enthusiasts and ammo experts tell us about this ammunition? What is the point of using it over normal hollow points when you know you'll be shooting from close range? Does anyone think it was more the symbolic significance of a "silver bullet" rather than the bullet's killing capacity? How hard is this ammo to get in the US? In the Netherlands? How much does it cost? Are the ballistics different- I mean would you have to practice specifically with that ammo if you wanted to hit something with it in a real situation? Questions, questions. If anybody has any answers please feel free to pipe up.

28 posted on 05/12/2002 10:17:37 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Shermy
so fanatical about the rights of animals that he was prepared to take human life.

Making him no different than any other PETA nutbag.

Every liberal is a thug.

38 posted on 05/12/2002 2:56:13 PM PDT by moyden
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