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Makes you wonder how any of us survived childhood without the help of these d#$@ bluestocking.
1 posted on 05/12/2002 9:03:40 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Bump to a bully supporter. Have you got slugged in the stomach today?
2 posted on 05/12/2002 9:14:13 AM PDT by xinga
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To: yankeedame
But why not crack down on pointless cruelty?

Seems to me that it would be a Good Thing.

D

3 posted on 05/12/2002 9:17:40 AM PDT by daviddennis
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To: yankeedame
Actually an important lesson is learned by those fifth graders who are the victims of bullying:

Lesson 1: There are a lot of A--holes out there. Get used to it.

Lesson 2: Learn physical self-defense and mental toughness. You will need it.

Lesson 3: Authority figures are useless in the trenches. They talk a good game but in the end you are on your own.

Who says you don't learn good stuff at school? ;-)
4 posted on 05/12/2002 9:36:25 AM PDT by cgbg
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To: yankeedame
Amen to that...I want reparation!

"Emotional bullying" (or any other type) won't be stopped by the school until it stops in the workplace, home, laundry, country club, church or anywhere else people congregate.

Wouldn't the school be guilty of emotional bullying by publically accusing someone of emotional bullying? Besides that, it's not the schools job..is it? That should be left to such expert malcontents as Hillary, Barbera Boxer, Diane Fienstien and Oprah.

5 posted on 05/12/2002 9:40:47 AM PDT by Ground0
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Well I´m only 20, so elementary school, middle school, and high school bullying is a pretty recent memory. I got made fun of for anything imaginable . . . being shorter, smaller, skinnier (imagine!), wearing glasses, knowing the answers in class, bringing pita breat sandwiches to lunch (so popular now!), you name it, I got teased for it. I came home crying just about every day. My loving, supportive, and most of all PRESENT parents hugged me and told me that though I might not believe it at the time, things would change. When you get older, they´d tell me, you´d fine your real friends are you brothers, your cousins, and the kids at Church. I didn´t believe them then, but of course they were right. By the time high school came, I had found my real friends. I never had to bring a gun to school, kill myself or anyone else, or write a feel-good bull**** article/novel/memior to ´´heal.´´ I just got over it. Why don´t they teach that anymore?
9 posted on 05/12/2002 9:49:10 AM PDT by Truth'sBabyGirl
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If they really want to do away with emotional bullyinbg, they ought to kick out the teachers unions, abolish the Dept of Education, encourage home schooling and give vouchers to the parents who aren't in a position to homeschool.

The people in the professional education establishment are the biggest bullies going.

15 posted on 05/12/2002 10:26:35 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: yankeedame
Bullying in school should simply not be tolerated. I'm not talking about some liberal touchy-feely solution to this problem. I'm not talking about "counseling" of bullies. I'm not talking about any of that.

I'm talking about simply kicking the bullies out of school. Period. End of story.

Hey, the world needs gas station attendants, burger flippers and street cleaners too. And most bullies end up taking those jobs anyhow. So why keep them in school where all they do is harass the kids who actually want to learn something and make something of themselves?

I know exactly what it was like to be bullied and "socially isolated." I have a mild case of Tourette's Syndrome and my twitches made me a social outcast and the target of bullies the entire time I was in school. I had "friends" desert me because they didn't want to become the targets of bullies themselves. So I was left on my own. Screw the people who are saying here that I should have just toughened up and that life's not fair, blah, blah, blah. I did toughen up, but it made no difference. They just came at me 4 on one or 5 on one. I already knew that life wasn't fair - I didn't need that lesson reinforced day after day with constant verbal and physical harrassment. It got so bad in high school that I couldn't go into the cafeteria or the bathrooms, except after school, where I would hide in the bathroom for a half hour so that I didn't have to get beat up on my way home.

My public school education was ruined by these thugs. Good thing I joined the Marine Corps to get the hell out of that environment. And good thing that instead of turning to drugs or other self-destructive ways to ease my disenchantment with life in general, I simply lost myself in books. And I never stopped reading to this day so that I am as educated, if not better educated, than just about any college grad.

Our public high schools have turned into jungles and I have no reason they are any better today, even with all the wishy-washy "zero-tolerance" policies towards physical violence. The problem can only be solved by throwing the disruptive kids out of school and turning our public schools into institutions of learning once again - not warehouses for troubled kids.

19 posted on 05/12/2002 11:55:45 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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So who IS "da uglyest person at Sycamore High School?"

The article never says... I hate it when that happens.

21 posted on 05/12/2002 12:07:40 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: yankeedame
Makes you wonder how any of us survived childhood without the help of these d#$@ bluestocking.

Well, it used to be that bullies finally got their a$$es kicked by someone which 'taught' them that it wasn't worth their while to do it anymore. The problem in the last 20-25 years is that someone started this 'don't hit people' idea, and the bullies took great advantage of that. THEY would hit or punch or knock someone down surreptitiously so THEY wouldn't get in trouble, but if someone tried to hit back the original victim would be the one to get in trouble.

When our #2 son was in the 3rd grade, he was one of the new kids in school. Until Christmas, the class bully picked on a different boy, who didn't return after Christmas vacation. So the bully turned on my son. He would come home and complain and I would tell him to tell the teacher or stay away from the boy. I SO wanted to tell him to just smack the kid, but thought that wasn't the right thing to say to him. One day, I went to pick him up from school and had to chat with the headmaster because our son was 'fighting on the playground'. Turns out, our son had had just about enough and flattened the kid during recess. When I asked the headmaster what the school policy was on dealing with problems between kids on the playground, he said "We try to get them to work it out". I said, "Well, our son worked it out, what's YOUR problem!" That bully NEVER bothered our son again!

If someone is a consistent bully, he or she needs to be taken to task for it. There's no excuse for putting us with that kind of crap! I don't care if we had to put up with it as kids or not, it's not right and never will be. I don't think all these 'programs' with their talking points, etc. will work; the kids who tend to bully will find a way to get around the talking and discussing. If kids are bullying, they should be punished to the point that it is not worth their while to even attempt it!

22 posted on 05/12/2002 12:24:33 PM PDT by SuziQ
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All right. Let's start early teaching kids that adults will solve all of your problems for you. If someone is emotionally uncomfortable with things that their peers say to them the teachers who are standing by at all times to monitor will swoop in and save them. This BolShevik is ridiculous on so many levels it almost hurts.
First, as I said, it teaches kids that they don't have to solve their own problems- the people in power will(hint: that is the government for people who are no longer in school).
Second, it teaches kids that anything negative or mildly insulting is evil and will not be tolerated. If a statement is unpopular with the people it describes or refers to it is unspeakable(hint: political correctness is the adult equivalent)
Third, it tries to solve people's problems for them in a completely and obviously ineffective manner. Nevermind that bullying will always go on because constant supervision is impossible. Nevermind that presentations and promises on ending the reign of evil bullies will only reaffirm the victim's view that there is nothing he can do and the system must protect him while having no effect on the bullies. We don't like bullying and so we have to do something to make ourselves feel better.(hint: welfare, gun control, regulations, requirements and restrictions on every product imaginable, affirmative action and a million other worthless government programs are the adult equivalent)

Life in school is a preparation for life as an adult. Children do not think of themselves as children, they think of themselves as people. They should be taught to take care of themselves just as adults have to. If children are brought up in a mini-society(school) where liberal government-type policies and attitudes prevail they will end up believing that these attitudes are the right ones and that these policies are a good idea. Schools should be as self-regulatory as possible and children should be allowed to grow up in a society where they mostly take care of themselves(from their point of view). Yes, watch their activities and teach them about right and wrong. Yes, care for them and provide for them. Yes, help them when they call for help(and teach them when it is appropriate to do so). But do not let them grow up thinking that there should always be someone in power there to solve their problems for them.
By the way, I am a HS senior who has been homeschooled and educated in public and private schools, so I know what I am talking about.

27 posted on 05/12/2002 4:38:09 PM PDT by Hot Soup
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"“They'd cry, they'd all apologize, we'd sing "Kumbayah......"

Personally, I think I'd rather take the bullying.

29 posted on 05/12/2002 4:59:02 PM PDT by freedox
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What is all this wimpy "we asked them to stop" and "I asked why she was bullying". You *order* the kids to stop, and you punish them severely if they don't.
31 posted on 05/12/2002 5:36:02 PM PDT by SarahW
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I thought the way to combat this was to reach deep inside, and get in touch with your telekinetic powers...

--Boris

32 posted on 05/12/2002 6:06:06 PM PDT by boris
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