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To: Glutton; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; ATOMIC PUNK; f.christian; EternalVigilance...
It is difficult to determine whether you are really as naive as you pretend or whether you are one of the team of cultural communists taking over the nation and FreeRepublic.  

>The Christines would have done better to stick to non-violent ways to make their point, and to get their way.

When they come for you and your children, do make sure that you don't protest a peep.  Just jump in the truck and go where they take you.  Wave goodbye to your kids as they leave in another direction.  Don't be violent.  Don't resist.  After all, "The government is here to help you."  Right?   </sarcasm>

 View for sale: $30,000 New owner of a lake fences it off when homeowners wouldn't pay.

Your lack of clear thinking is consistent with the situation at the above link.  I see a pink fence in your future...with sparkles in the paint...or one of chainlink or razor wire with guards and a tower.  And don't protest that they can't do this to you or it can't happen.  It IS happening!

On a related issue: DSS Dirty Tricks -- IF YOU HAVE KIDS READ THIS !!!!!

They Want Your Kids

The first DSS dirty trick is making you think they would NEVER use dirty tricks to take your children. Beneath the nice exterior of your friendly DSS agent is a person whose job is to take children - your children. DSS takes children from about 25% of the families for which they provide services, and that percentage is on the increase.


They Only Want to "Help" You

DSS is there to help you, right? Wrong. Former Speaker of the House Jim Wright, a Texan, was a master at "helping" his opponents. He would say, when he was trying to twist the arms of his colleagues, "Ah only want to Hep yew." When he was "heppin' yew", that's when you had to be the most careful. It is the same with the DSS.

Some DSS agents want to help families, and some don't. However, the system itself rarely does. Most DSS agents don't know or respect the restrictions in the law against taking children, and no one holds them accountable. Even judges cannot reign them in. So they do as they please, not what the law allows or requires. They have managed to form their own secret police, just like in Communist countries.

Many people ask the DSS for "voluntary services", only to find out too late that asking for help brings the whole DSS down on them. That is literally asking to have your children taken.


The Law Requires Them to Try to Unite Families

The law says that DSS must try to unite families, not destroy them. Specifically, Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 119, Section 1 says: "It is hereby declared to be the policy of this Commonwealth to direct its efforts, first, to the strengthening and encouragement of family life for the protection and care of children . . ." They talk about help, and stabilizing intact families, and therapy, but it's all a cruel lie. They really want to take your kids.

So, their first dirty trick is to say they want to help you. Don't fall for it. They will offer "services", and home visits, and nice chats about your life and the bad things your spouse did. Don't do it. Shut up. They do not want to help you. Be pleasant, but firm. As explained in the next section, if you talk, or accept their ‘services', you may never see your children again.


Play by the Rules - Lose Your Children.
Can This Be Happening in America?

If you foolishly think that DSS will play by the rules, then they will exploit your weakness, and take your children. If you play by the rules, they will exploit that, and take your children. But if you know how the game is played, you may have a chance to keep your children, or get them back after they are taken. The secret police can be outsmarted.

You will likely ask yourself, "How can this be happening in America?" It is happening, and it is because politicians have been willing to compromise liberty and family rights for support from radical Marxists and feminists who demanded these laws. While no one was watching, these people stole our American System of law and due process, and family rights, and liberty, and quietly substituted this new nightmare of a secret police system that you are now dealing with.

People assume that they will get justice in our courts. No longer. It's gone. The old America that respected family privacy is gone. A new Soviet-style system has taken its place. The sooner you acknowledge that horrible reality, the sooner you stop believing that the old system just HAS to give you justice, the sooner you can start fighting back in an effective manner. ... Click here for the rest it:  DSS Dirty Tricks


12 posted on 05/14/2002 2:57:41 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Naive? Not at all. I was a Special Forces soldier who knows all about low intensity and asymmetrical conflict whereby citizens take on the powers of an established government.

I am also a student of Mohandas K. Ghandi, and know how to put the tools of non-violent civil diosbedience (NVCD)at work to get other citizens to defang government where it is acting badly.

I merely submit that at this given time, NVCD would be a better set of tools to bloody the Children's Service Division (CSD) in Oregon, not giving them the tools they need to discredit you in the eyes of fellow citicens by losing your cool and using guns against state officials.

I am 48, a college graduate, and I am well aware of the complex set of issues people in Oregon have with CSD. It behooves people to elevate the level of discourse on an issue to bring the light of day onto misbehaving government agencies, not look like thugs themselves handing the tools CSD and the court system need to get rid of disgruntled citizens on a silver platter like that married couple did.

13 posted on 05/14/2002 3:52:18 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: 2sheep
It is difficult to determine whether you are really as naive as you pretend or whether you are one of the team of cultural communists taking over the nation and FreeRepublic.

Ummm, are you sure you meant to aim this comment at me? If you've read my many posts on the Christine threads, you know that I have repeatedly harped on the illegality of the procedures used by the state in taking and keeping the Christine children.

16 posted on 05/14/2002 6:43:21 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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