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India, Pakistan troops trade heavy fire in Kashmir
Reuters AlertNet ^ | 18 May 2002 | Reuters

Posted on 05/17/2002 11:28:10 PM PDT by Vigilant1

JAMMU, India, May 18 (Reuters) - Indian and Pakistani troops, massed on the border since mid-December, exchanged heavy fire for the second successive day in the disputed Kashmir region, an Indian defence official said on Saturday.

The fighting comes ahead of a meeting in New Delhi on Saturday of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS). It is to discuss security measures in Kashmir following a deadly attack this week on an army camp near Jammu, blamed by India on Pakistan-based Kashmiri separatists.

"There has been heavy mortar firing through the night in the Akhnoor sector of the Line of Control," the official said referring to a ceasefire line that divides the disputed region between the nuclear foes. "It is continuing but the intensity has reduced."

Troops also traded small arms and heavy machinegun fire along the frontier in Kathua, R.S.Pora and Samba sectors in southern Kashmir, the official said.

There were no reports of casualties but some houses were damaged on the Indian side, the official said.

New Delhi on Friday vowed to fight what it calls terrorism after 34 people, mostly wives and children of soldiers, died in the raid on the army camp earlier this week.

Washington has called for restraint by the neighbours who have massed a million men and equipment on their border since a bloody attack on India's parliament in December, blamed by New Delhi on Pakistan-based Kashmiri separatists.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; india; pakistan; southasialist; war
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There are many reports like this in the past, but India has issued diplomatic warnings to the US that they may attack Pakistan (please see the India warns US it may be about to attack Pakistan thread for details). This is getting far more serious. The two countries are on the brink of war, and it may go nuclear.
1 posted on 05/17/2002 11:28:10 PM PDT by Vigilant1
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To: Vigilant1
The two countries are on the brink of war, and it may go nuclear.

I honestly don't think so.

Musharaff has nothing to gain, and everything to lose, by going nuclear. I know he says he doesn't know where the nukes are and can't control them, but I simply don't believe that. He is, above all else, a military dictator.

Since he wants to maintain his power, it's in his advantage to let India clean out the rat's nest in Kashmir.

2 posted on 05/17/2002 11:46:59 PM PDT by Lion's Cub
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Well,gee, whose side will we be on?

Do we have mutual defense treatys with either one?

How much $$$$$ can we make selling more weapons to both sides?

3 posted on 05/17/2002 11:47:04 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: Vigilant1
This is getting far more serious

I have to agree with you there

4 posted on 05/17/2002 11:47:52 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Vigilant1
They will go to war and the only thing certain is that there will be many, many people killed
5 posted on 05/17/2002 11:49:48 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: *SouthAsia_list

6 posted on 05/17/2002 11:53:26 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Lion's Cub
"Since he wants to maintain his power, it's in his advantage to let India clean out the rat's nest in Kashmir."

All due respect but that is one the most uninformed statements I have ever seen on FR.

If India attacks Pakistan....which they are now justified to do after this recent attack that murdered women and children...then Pakistan "must" retaliate.

The Pakistani people already see Musharaf as an illigitimate tool of the United States that is betraying Islam [I am not talking about the radicals...in our definition, the majority of Pakistanis would be considered radical] and if he were to then allow India...their "bitter to the point of stupidity" enemy to assault into Pakistan, he would most assuredly lose the power you refer to.

This thing could blow...and if it did come to an exchange...it would really be ugly. Without a doubt the single greatest loss of life in history. Not that I would mind some neighborhood revitalization in that region but nobody intentionally wants that kind of slaughter.

This is what you get when you have two idiot religions in control of nuclear weapons.

Grace Lord, grace.

7 posted on 05/18/2002 12:35:41 AM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: Vigilant1
I know many Hindu folks from India and each of them say that the muslims are crazy and need to be killed. No one said anything about negotiation or compromise, they each call for destruction of muslims. Poop could hit the fan there and if it does? Will China get involved? Will Russia since India has been a russian client for years. Will russias muslim states collude with pakistan? Pretty headdy stuff. Personally I'm pulling for war. It would be interesting for a serious war in the world and not have the U.S. as a focal point. It would also be interesting to see the worlds hand wringers freak at the less then civil way this war would be fought.
8 posted on 05/18/2002 1:41:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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LC:
"Since he wants to maintain his power, it's in his advantage to let India clean out the rat's nest in Kashmir."

That is a highly unlikely scenario. If India attacks into Pakistan, the Kashmir border would be the worst place to do it. They have historically attacked into the open central plain, cutting Pakistan in half. This plain is excellent tank country. The Kashmir, on the other hand, is heavily defended mountain passes that would negate any military advantages the superior India Army has. It would be extremely costly for them to attack there, a monumentally stupid stragtegic move.

If the Indians do successfully attack Pakistan, and the Pakis feel they're about to be overrun, they have promised to use their nukes. Under such circumstances, they would likely do so.

9 posted on 05/18/2002 2:26:54 AM PDT by Vigilant1
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The Kashmir, on the other hand, is heavily defended mountain passes that would negate any military advantages the superior India Army has. It would be extremely costly for them to attack there, a monumentally stupid stragtegic move

Thanks for explaining that. I thought the border buildup meant they were going to go after the terrorists. I figured it was part of "the plan" that we keep hearing so much about.

BTW, there was some speculation of what China would do if this war breaks out.

China's military starts war games near Taiwan

Looks like they plan to have an opportunity within the next six months.

10 posted on 05/18/2002 3:24:23 AM PDT by Lion's Cub
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Is there any place in the world Muslims can co-exist with another religion. Somehow I can't think of one. But it is a religion of peace. Right!
11 posted on 05/18/2002 4:30:14 AM PDT by LaGrone
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Whoa, we can't let that happen! It would save us a lot of trouble if India would just turn Pakistan into a glowing parking lot.
13 posted on 05/18/2002 9:39:55 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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I know many Hindu folks from India and each of them say that the muslims are crazy and need to be killed.

Getting very hard these days to prove those Hindu folks wrong.

14 posted on 05/18/2002 9:58:49 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Vigilant1

(site of the 1998 test,prime minister went to see)
15 posted on 05/18/2002 10:15:11 AM PDT by green team 1999
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To: stuck_in_new_orleans
The expression is...he's a lover not a fighter.

In my opinion both the Indians and the Pakistanians are bureaucrats, not warriors. They would prefer to make tons of obstacles to war in their offices rather than engage in combat in the field.

16 posted on 05/18/2002 10:21:48 AM PDT by bert
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Well,gee, whose side will we be on? Do we have mutual defense treatys with either one? How much $$$$$ can we make selling more weapons to both sides?

That was enlightening.

17 posted on 05/18/2002 10:23:15 AM PDT by arm958
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To: Vigilant1
I wouldn't get too excited. This is all just political posturing. An all-out war wouldn't gain anything for either side, and both know it. We'll see border skirmishes, and that's it.

The Indian government need to show its people it's "doing something," and the Musharaff need's to show he's got some backbone. Border skirmishes will suffice for both purposes.

18 posted on 05/18/2002 12:55:24 PM PDT by traditionalist
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It would be interesting for a serious war in the world and not have the U.S. as a focal point

We have military assets in every nation involved. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbehkistan, Tajikistan and India. We would be involved, without question.
19 posted on 05/18/2002 2:29:24 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: VaBthang4
Just ONE idiot religion.

I think headline MAY be OK, since such an invasion might get Musharraf out of Pakistan and safely into retirement by his Walden in New England, before he is murdered as is the usual fate of Muzzie leaders.

20 posted on 05/18/2002 2:36:02 PM PDT by crystalk
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