[johnqueuepublic]

A broadside against the rise of liberalism in the Catholic church.

[NYer]

Stated plainly, the root cause of the majority of Catholic priestly sex abuse lies in an increasingly gay Catholic priesthood – it cannot be explained otherwise – celibate heterosexual men do not desire to have sex with men, let alone boys.

This cannot be stated enough!! This message MUST BE BROUGHT to the Bishop's meeting in June. If they don't allow outsiders to attend, then large placards need to be paraded outside and through the convention hall.

[maryz]

Fueled by a long string of poor appointments, primarily by Pope Paul VI [1963-1978], this group unfortunately came to be dominated by the very revisionist forces who now openly war against Catholic orthodoxy –

Anyone know who of the current ringleaders fall into this group? And which don't?

[ecomcon]

BUMP

[GipperCT]

Catholicism is the oldest of the Christian sects and, until relatively recently, its most conservative voice.

Hello!? Forgetting that the Catholic church began as a split from the Greek Orthodox in 1054 are we? The Greek Orthodox church is the only church that can trace it's roots back to the Apostles. Greek Orthodox have their own issues to deal with, but unmarried "clergy" jumping kids ain't one of them....

[Cicero]

The problem is not Vatican II, which was a Council of the Church like all the rest. The problem is that the liberals kidnapped the Church AFTER Vatican II. If you listen carefully, you will hear the liberals and dissenters talk about the "spirit of Vatican II." They seldom or never actually cite the documents of the council, but instead raise issues like contraception, abortion, women priests, married priests, horrible music, destruction of churches, etc., etc., which were never even mentioned at the council, let alone set down in the official documents.

No, it can only be concluded that, although the Church before Vatican II seemed healthy, there was a good deal of rot hidden away already, or it would not have burst forth so enthusiastically.

Only schismatic groups like the Society of Pius X believe that Vatican II was evil. The real evil was that dissenters and people who in the old days would have been called heretics "seized the levers of power." Nothing in Vatican II authorized any of this mess. The Church was victimized by the whole 60s Counter-Cultural Revolution, which has seized and perverted every other institution and aspect of western culture. It didn't take Vatican II to produce Bill Clinton, to wreck our universities, to eviscerate or destroy many Protestant denominations, and to pervert the media.

"Vatican II" has been a code word for all the dismal things that have happened in the Church, but the council itself was not responsible. Liberal dissenters who misrepresented the council for their own purposes were responsible.

[Arthur McGowan]

This article is not usable as a quotable source, since it is written by a rank, and ignorant, amateur, notwithstanding the validity of some of his points.

Rerum Novarum has no direct connection with Vatican I. It is an encyclical published about a decade later. It was not a response to "Modernism," and "Modernism" is not directly related to Marxism. Modernism was a theological movement, responded to by Pius X in his encyclical Pascendi and other documents and disciplinary measures. is not an encyclical, and was not written by Paul VI. It is a Constitution (i.e., one of the major teaching documents) composed at the Second Vatican Council. Etc.

[Arthur McGowan]

Gaudium et Spes is not an encyclical, and was not written by Paul VI. It is a Constitution (i.e., one of the major teaching documents) composed at the Second Vatican Council. Etc.

[Jim Noble]

>>yet in one bloodless coup, manifest changes were promulgated which had the effect of subjecting Catholicism to a toxic dose of Protestantism - not that there is anything wrong with Protestantism, as long as you are Protestant<<

Catholics make terrible Protestants.

This Protestant's prayers are with them in what seems to me like a death struggle with Satan.

[galt-jw]

shocker: bureacracies, even in religion, act to solidify and maintain their power. franchise of man as in the state, or franchise of man in the name of a church, not God, incidentally. Thats why catholics and protestants dont tithe each other.

just something for consideration.

[dmz]

The real battleground is the seminaries, for it is here where young men intent on devoting their lives to God and duty to the Church will be trained, but it is becoming increasingly clear that young straight men of conservative beliefs are being turned away, in droves, by an entrenched pro-homosexual minority that is intent on promoting ultra-modernist theology and driving straights away:

I have heard this bandied about much recently, is there any (a sincere question, not an attempt to inflame) objective evidence for it?

[annalex]

For your information

[yendu bwam]

Out of this concern over the “grief’s and anxieties of the men of this age" Catholicism has come very close to substituting the worship of man for the worship of God.

This by far, I believe, is the greatest danger of our times. When we decide that we can alter the family structure into anything at all, when we decide that we know when it is best to kill unborn babies (and now even born ones), when we decide that we should tamper with the genetic code to create new forms of life, when we decide that old age is subject to a human judgment of worthiness, when we decide that sex is to be revered in any bizarre and dangerous form for only the momentary release it brings, when we decide that any spiritual belief is as good as any other, when we devote our lives to wealth, health and new experiences, and when we teach our children to think of themselves first, we have made man God. The Catholic Church in many places has taken several fateful steps into this miasmic sea, but is still hopefully close to God's shore. Many other faiths are drowning in the love of man ocean. It will take strength, courage, a true love of God and faith in Him to make sure that the Catholic Church returns completely to God's land.

[yendu bwam]

The real battleground is the seminaries, for it is here where young men intent on devoting their lives to God and duty to the Church will be trained, but it is becoming increasingly clear that young straight men of conservative beliefs are being turned away, in droves, by an entrenched pro-homosexual minority that is intent on promoting ultra-modernist theology and driving straights away:

The Church cannot long survive the promotion of those to the priesthood who seek to undermine Catholic belief. This is truly a diabolic cancer which needs to be cleanly and fearlessly excised. Further, the Church should immediately begin an aggressive outreach to those young straight men of authentic belief who have been shunned.

[StAthanasiustheGreat]

As a Catholic who was born in 1982, and thus born and raised under the Vatican II liberal policies, I must say that while a few of the changes I like, the changes to the Mass (I have had the privlege of attending a number of Tridetine Latin High Masses) sadden me and I would welcome the return to an all Latin liturgy even if it was only along the lines of the Novus Ordo Mass. I consider myself an Orthodox Catholic and I think sadly, the changes of Vatican II while making some things easier, has utlimately hurt what it means to be a Roman Catholic in the World today.

[Orual]

Excellent article.