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To: Cicero
The problem is not Vatican II, which was a Council of the Church like all the rest. The problem is that the liberals kidnapped the Church AFTER Vatican II. If you listen carefully, you will hear the liberals and dissenters talk about the "spirit of Vatican II." They seldom or never actually cite the documents of the council, but instead raise issues like contraception, abortion, women priests, married priests, horrible music, destruction of churches, etc., etc., which were never even mentioned at the council, let alone set down in the official documents.

There is a lot of truth in this statement. If the Church were to simply adhere to what was acutally decided at Vatican II, it would be a vastly better Church today than it is. The thing is, Vatican II allowed for a bit of freedom - and then people ran far, far, far with it. It's time to reel them in.

58 posted on 05/21/2002 1:17:36 PM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
Pope John XXIII called the council and was not alive to manage it, I kinda see an analogy between this and reconstruction after the Civil War.

I also think the parallels the author raises between what was happening in the church and in society is important, they are the same forces operating towards a common goal.

60 posted on 05/21/2002 1:21:26 PM PDT by johnqueuepublic
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To: yendu bwam
I agree whole heartedly that it is time to "reel" them in as you say. But how does one go about moving back to a more conservative, orthodox, traditionalism that was lost after Vatican II. My only fear is if one tries to use a council to deal with this problem, the problem will become even worse as the liberal faux-Catholic Elements take it and run with it so to speak. Interested to hear how you would propose to fix the problems that have arisen (I have a few ideas, but probably wouldn't go over to well). God Bless
98 posted on 05/21/2002 6:29:01 PM PDT by StAthanasiustheGreat
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