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N.J., New York Spend Most Per Pupil
(AP) ^ | GREG TOPPO

Posted on 05/23/2002 12:25:03 AM PDT by Dallas



WASHINGTON (AP) -- If money buys good public schools, New Jersey and New York are buying the best, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, which said both states spend more than $10,000 per student each year, far above the $6,835 national average.

The figures, taken from spending in the 1999-2000 school year, are the most recent available, but state budget crunches could change the school funding landscape in coming years.

"There's clearly pressure on state budgets, and since education is the single largest line item in every state budget, there's pressure on education budgets," said David Shreve of the National Conference of State Legislatures.

He said 17 states cut education funding in their 2002 budgets, while 12 have already cut it in their 2003 budgets.

The annual survey was released Thursday. The Education Department issued similar figures earlier this month.

The Census survey shows that heavily populated states such as New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and Massachusetts tend to spend more per pupil, while rural states, such as Alabama, Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Mississippi and Tennessee, spend far less.

But better funding doesn't always buy better schools, said Mary Conk of the American Association of School Administrators.

"You've got to look at what money gets you and where you're spending it," she said.

Construction and living costs, for instance, can drive up spending in urban areas, with schools essentially spending more to get the same goods and services that rural ones get.

"Clearly it's going to be more expensive to build a school and staff it (in New York) than it would in Kansas," Shreve said.

Also, spending within a state is often higher in more affluent suburbs, which can draw from higher local property taxes. State legislatures have spent the past decade tackling the problem, but it's just now getting the attention of Congress. Lawmakers on Thursday were scheduled to hear testimony on the inequality of state funding formulas.

"A child's education should be determined by the size of their dreams, not the numbers of their ZIP code," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who heads the Subcommittee on Children and Families. "We need to fundamentally change the way we deal with education in this country so that all children have the same opportunities and chance for a successful and productive life."

President Bush and Education Secretary Rod Paige have for months pointed out that spending more money per pupil doesn't necessarily guarantee better results -- an idea that has gained support in Congress. The idea is still hotly debated in schools.

National Education Association spokeswoman Denise Cardinal pointed out that higher per-pupil funding can translate to more teachers and smaller class sizes, which have been shown to help student achievement.

But the Census figures show that the struggling Washington, D.C., school system spends virtually the same per pupil as New York and New Jersey, while its students lag behind many others in several areas, including skill levels and graduation rates.

"D.C. being on there points out that you can make foolish investment decisions with big resources and the kids don't benefit," said Amy Wilkins of the Education Trust, a Washington group that advocates for urban and minority students.

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Census Bureau: http://www.census.gov

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press


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1 posted on 05/23/2002 12:25:03 AM PDT by Dallas
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By The Associated Press

May 23, 2002, 12:01 AM EDT



Amount states spent on each student during the 1999-2000 school year:

State Total

Ala. $5,601

Alaska 8,743

Ariz. 5,033

Ark. 5,470

Calif. 6,298

Colo. 6,165

Conn. 8,800

Del. 8,030

D.C. 9,933

Fla. 5,691

Ga. 6,417

Hawaii 6,487

Idaho 5,218

Ill. 7,185

Ind. 6,871

Iowa 6,547

Kan. 6,211

Ky. 5,922

La. 5,652

Maine 7,595

Md. 7,496

Mass. 8,444

Mich. 7,662

Minn. 7,051

Miss. 5,014

Mo. 6,143

Mont. 6,214

Neb. 6,422

Nev. 5,736

N.H. 6,742

N.J. 10,283

N.M. 5,748

N.Y. 10,039

N.C. 5,990

N.D. 5,830

Ohio 6,999

Okla. 5,394

Ore. 7,027

Pa. 7,824

R.I. 8,242

S.C. 6,114

S.D. 5,521

Tenn. 5,343

Texas 6,145

Utah 4,331

Vt. 7,938

Va. 6,839

Wash. 6,394

W.Va. 7,093

Wis. 7,716

Wyo. 7,421

U.S. 6,835

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

Copyright © 2002, The Associated Press

2 posted on 05/23/2002 12:26:09 AM PDT by Dallas
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To: Dallas
Title should read "N.J., New York TAX Most Per Pupil".
3 posted on 05/23/2002 4:10:00 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Dallas
Liberals are always screaming that they need more money for schools. I'd be interested to see corresponding graduation rates, SAT scores, etc. from all of these states to see if more money = better students (it doesn't).

Anyone have any "hard facts" to back up my thesis?

4 posted on 05/23/2002 7:04:35 AM PDT by agenda_express
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To: *Education News;madfly
fyi
6 posted on 05/23/2002 9:41:01 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: agenda_express
Both of these links refer to the failing school system in our small westchester town. For those of you without alot of time, here is a summary:

Spending per pupil: $20,200.00 per year.
Percentage of 8th graders passing State tests: 67% (below 70 is failing)

Please read the posts for more data including local demographics. Local Media Bias concerning School excess

Forced from our home by local taxes  

7 posted on 05/23/2002 9:50:04 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: agenda_express
Both of these links refer to the failing school system in our small westchester town. For those of you without alot of time, here is a summary:

Spending per pupil: $20,200.00 per year.
Percentage of 8th graders passing State tests: 67% (below 70 is failing)

Please read the posts for more data including local demographics. Local Media Bias concerning School excess

Forced from our home by local taxes  

8 posted on 05/23/2002 9:50:38 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
Sorry for the double post.
9 posted on 05/23/2002 9:51:30 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
How about $230,000 per classroom of 23 students a year. What could a joint group of homeschoolers do with that?
10 posted on 05/23/2002 10:04:45 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
Actually, in our town they spend 464,600 for every 23 students. God only knows what they spend it on, but it sure isn't teachers and supplies.

There was another story about how 2 of the school board members (an ostensibly unpaid position) have their wives working in the school administration office. That might have something to do with it, but my guess is that it's just wasted. The average teachers salary in our town (as of 1999) is $84,600 per year.

11 posted on 05/23/2002 10:10:58 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: Dallas
And both states are grateful to me for selling them a schoolhouse with a commanding view of the NYC skyline from the Brooklyn Bridge.

The closing on this piece of real estate will take place soon after the gala open house I will be holding on an unnamed Caribbean island......

12 posted on 05/23/2002 10:31:46 AM PDT by tracer
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