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To: TroutStalker
What the author failed to mention ( out of politeness ? ) was that some of the "Conservative Religious Right" devoutly believe supporting just about anything and everything Israel does will lead to a prophesied (?) wholesale conversion of Jews to Christianity .

From what I've read,this has led to considerable alarm among Jews;but, needing all the help they can get, they have been polite to people they consider almost as much of a threat to Israel as the Muslims.

10 posted on 05/23/2002 6:33:33 AM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: genefromjersey
You are so full of shit. I grew up as a Southern Baptist in the Hunstville area and never remember ANYONE talking of converting Jews. We were taught that if you go against the Jews you go against God. You and Larrylied must be BrownShirt Bowling Buddies.
17 posted on 05/23/2002 6:53:49 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: genefromjersey
"Conservative Religious Right" devoutly believe supporting just about anything and everything Israel does will lead to a prophesied (?) wholesale conversion of Jews to Christianity .

I think if those exist they are the same Christians that think that teaching "doctrine" is legalistic and that pretty much anything goes in church too as long as you are emotionally moved to cry or laugh hysterically or roll on the floor.

19 posted on 05/23/2002 6:57:21 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: genefromjersey
What the author failed to mention ( out of politeness ? ) was that some of the "Conservative Religious Right" devoutly believe supporting just about anything and everything Israel does will lead to a prophesied (?) wholesale conversion of Jews to Christianity .

I believe that this is in part, true (shamefully so), but in part, a misunderstanding of Christian viewpoints. No doubt there are some Christians who support Israel solely for what they think they will eventually gain by her success, ie the end of the world as we know it and Christ's kingdom on earth, throne in Jerusalem etc. But that's not why most Christians support Israel, nor should it be.

We support Israel because the Jews are God's chosen people and He tells us to. We support Israel because God's covenant with His people is permanent and irrevocable and must be honored for as long as He says so, and He tells Jeremiah that the day the sun refuses to shine and the moon and stars don't appear in the sky is the day He breaks His promises to Israel - in other words - never. We support Israel because Paul tells us in Romans that their temporary blindness is the only thing that allows for our salvation in the meantime. He says that God has NOT forgotten Israel, that He has a plan for Israel that we can't begin to comprehend, because He is God and we are not, so don't get cocky in some false superiority - remember we are grafted into THEIR tree. We are to wait patiently for God to fulfil His plans in HIS time, not ours. Any Christian who supports Israel because they think that as a result they can somehow force God's prophetic hand is sorely mistaken and sadly misguided.

And if we've really done our homework, we can actually set all biblical claims aside and look at it from a completely secular, political and historical standpoint, and STILL support Israel because logic tells us who has the moral high ground and the facts on her side.

25 posted on 05/23/2002 7:05:19 AM PDT by agrace
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To: genefromjersey
Jews...needing all the help they can get, they have been polite to people they consider almost as much of a threat to Israel as the Muslims.

Baloney.
What garbage!

26 posted on 05/23/2002 7:05:21 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: genefromjersey
What the author failed to mention ( out of politeness ? ) was that some of the "Conservative Religious Right" devoutly believe supporting just about anything and everything Israel does will lead to a prophesied (?) wholesale conversion of Jews to Christianity.

Some do, most don't. When my wife converted to Judaism, her "conservative religious right" sister and brother-in-law strongly supported her decision. (As did the rest of her family who are also mostly conservative and Christian, though not of the religious right.)

32 posted on 05/23/2002 7:25:17 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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