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1 posted on 05/24/2002 12:01:17 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: *libertarians
 
2 posted on 05/24/2002 12:01:51 PM PDT by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
The people get what they vote for...

if they are lucky!

3 posted on 05/24/2002 12:20:20 PM PDT by edger
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To: Alan Chapman
Great post, Alan.
4 posted on 05/24/2002 12:22:37 PM PDT by FreeTally
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To: *landgrab
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5 posted on 05/24/2002 12:25:03 PM PDT by Free the USA
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To: Alan Chapman
great post, thanks!
6 posted on 05/24/2002 12:34:37 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: Alan Chapman
I'd like to see some laws enforcing PERSONAL financial and criminal liability on civil servants found to be overstepping legal boundaries using eminent domain. And, as tax consumers, rather than wealth producers (with jobs), they should be presumed guilty, unless they can prove their own innocence.
7 posted on 05/24/2002 1:04:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking
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To: Alan Chapman
In America, it used to be that a man's -- or a widow's -- home was his castle.

This has actually never been the case. Eminent domain is part of the constitution, and the sovereign governments have always had the power to take property for public use.

The only two inquiries allowed by the 5th Amendment are (1) whether the property is being condemned for a public use; and (2) whether the property owner is receiving just compensation. The first inquiry is often abused - as the article suggests - but has generally be interpreted as primarily a political question. As long as the condemning authority has any rational public purpose for the taking, then it's ok. The second inquiry requires full compensation to the affected landowner or leaseholder, which most courts interpret to include payment of attorneys fees by the government if the landowner can prove that the property is worth more than the state offered. That means that it's not as hard to fund these cases as the article appears to suggest.

8 posted on 05/24/2002 1:05:59 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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She had 30 days to accept an offer to buy her property at one-quarter its appraised value, or the Casino Reinvestment Development Authority (CRDA) would have her forcibly removed.

25% of value? 30 days? I doubt it.

9 posted on 05/24/2002 1:13:41 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Alan Chapman
bttt
11 posted on 05/24/2002 1:17:36 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: Alan Chapman; madfly
I don't agree with everything in the [ L ]ibertarian playbook;
but in this case the [ l ]ibertarians are right.

Ping.

12 posted on 05/24/2002 1:26:38 PM PDT by brityank
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Man jailed for threats against pupils, officials

Wednesday, May 22, 2002

By Rick Nowlin,(Pittsburgh) Post-Gazette Staff Writer

A zoning dispute apparently was the spark that caused a Hampton man to threaten township officials and pupils, leading to a lockdown of schools Monday.

John K. Baker, 37, was arrested later that day and charged with terroristic threats and harassment after saying he would carry out "a Columbine incident at one of the Hampton schools," Police Chief Dan Connolly said.

The reference was to the April 1999 incident in suburban Denver in which two students shot and killed a dozen fellow students and a teacher before turning their guns on themselves.

Baker was arraigned before District Justice William K. Wagner of McCandless and was held in the Allegheny County Jail in lieu of $100,000 cash bond.

Baker threatened to take firearms to one of the schools, shoot children as they exited the building and "hope one was a police officer's child," Connolly said.

Hampton School District spokeswoman Pat Forest referred to it as "a general threat" and not directed toward any one of the district's five schools. As a precaution, the district had all schools under lockdown from noon to 1:30 p.m. Monday. Parents were not notified during the lockdown, Forest said.

Although the threats were new, Connolly said police were familiar with Baker. Police arrested him Sunday for threatening to kill township officials. Connolly said one threat came by telephone to state Rep. Jeff Habay, R-Shaler.

He was released on $10,000 bond in that case but subsequently went to CVS pharmacy in Hampton and made the other threats, this time to a clerk who was a Hampton resident.

Land use administrator Larry Moore said the township has cited Baker numerous times for operating a junkyard, in violation of township zoning ordinances, at his Hampton Avenue home over the past 10 years. Connolly said Baker has accrued fines of at least $25,000 because of 38 cars plus boats, all-terrain vehicles and various large automotive parts scattered about the property.

The township took Baker to Common Pleas Court in February, and Judge Cynthia Baldwin gave Baker seven days to clean up the site. He did not comply with that order, Moore said.

Baker has insisted that other township properties also violate zoning ordinances and that he was being singled out because neighbors complained. "We told him to put together a list" of properties he felt were also in violation, Moore said.

Connolly said police also arrested Baker in February for trespassing and harassment for visiting other properties he believed violated township ordinances.

"Because of that situation, he's made threats to numerous police officers, the township manager, even the magistrate," Connolly said.

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I have the notion that Libertarians would really want to give Mr. Baker a medal.

13 posted on 05/24/2002 1:36:30 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Alan Chapman
Maybe I'm just being dense (after all, it IS Friday) but I'm not sure I understand the Libertarian part of this. In my area the lefties want to "take" our mountain properties for use as "trails" for the public, an issue we have fought off before, and will again. But HERE, it is not Libertarians, it's outright communists (Santa Cruz Calif.) It is Libertarians that are behind these other seizures?
24 posted on 05/24/2002 2:38:42 PM PDT by EggsAckley
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To: Alan Chapman
"Treating all [regulations] as ... takings would transform government regulation into a luxury few governments could afford," wrote Justice John Paul Stevens.

Too d@mn bad! The people own the U.S., not the opposite. It should be d@mn hard for the government to regulate or take property, and high expense (read "true cost") of land should be one of the prices it has to pay to take land or any other property.

41 posted on 05/24/2002 4:34:50 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion
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To: Alan Chapman
The Solution to/of/for Libertarians: Prozac
46 posted on 05/24/2002 5:53:23 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: Alan Chapman
More agit-prop from the comrades at the LP...This site is supposed to be a "conservative" news forum.
48 posted on 05/24/2002 5:53:59 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
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Libertarian Solutions

Would those be of the seven percent variety?

67 posted on 05/25/2002 2:01:26 AM PDT by strela
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To: Alan Chapman
The people get what they vote for.
I'm getting what others vote for.
Like a former President I've never voted and I refuse to do so.

The usual response is something along the lines of...Then you don't have a right to complain.

72 posted on 05/25/2002 8:37:31 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Alan Chapman
In 1994, Vera Coking received an ominous letter from the New Jersey Casino Reinvestment Development Authority.

On July 20, 1998, New Jersey Superior Court Judge Richard Williams ruled against New Jersey’s Casino Reinvestment Authority and in favor of Vera Coking.

82 posted on 05/25/2002 2:07:14 PM PDT by Roscoe
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