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Is there any "national columnist" more clueless than William Raspberry? I know it is a tough call, but he really shines.


1 posted on 05/27/2002 6:05:25 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: RippleFire
There are problems that black Americans suffer that have their deep roots in slavery and racism. It doesn't seem reasonable that the thing to do about this legacy is...nothing.

The BILLIONS in transfer payments and affirmative action set-asides that the American taxpayers have coughed up since the sixties really count for "nothing", huh? Pull your head out of your a$$ and get a clue, Chuck.

2 posted on 05/27/2002 6:18:16 AM PDT by bassmaner
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To: RippleFire
How is slavery 150 years ago responsible for crack-addicted teenaged welfare mothers today?

Could be be because Rasberry and the rest of his friends on the left have been TELLING black kids from the time that they are toddlers "You will never be anything when you grow up. Don't even try. It's because of SLAVERY that you will never succeed and should never TRY to succeed."

I LOVE the way he tells the rest of America "Hey, don't feel guilty or get defensive...JUST PAY UP!"

4 posted on 05/27/2002 6:24:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: RippleFire
There might also be the logistical problem of determining which taxpayers would qualify to have their income taxes diverted.

If this is based on slave labor, that means all tax slaves get to move their taxes where they wish as well. We too are forced to work for others benifits and not our own. Some have slaved all their lives as well, by force! If our goverment owners don't get their money, the IRS brings guns, and they kill.
All those who have collected welfare and other social programs all these years OWE US - big time. If it weren't for the sweat of our brow, they may not have survived.
When can I expect my check?

5 posted on 05/27/2002 6:32:51 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: RippleFire
Or the jobs I couldn't get, or the income I was denied based in large measure on race.

Like when white people do not get jobs because of affirmative action?

6 posted on 05/27/2002 6:42:49 AM PDT by Random Access
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To: RippleFire
This is so much crap I can't find a place to start so I'll try sarcasm. Mr. Raspberry and Mr. Jackson are among the first to cry that the poorest of Americans are paying the bulk of taxes. And, of course, they are quick to point out that the terrible white man has made sure that blacks remain at the bottom of the poor. Now, they come along with a suggestion of redirecting 95% of the taxes paid by these poorest of poor to their own self-interest groups. Based on their own twisted logic, would this not completely cripple the economy of the US and, consequently, the world?

The more I think about it, maybe reparations would not be such a bad idea. Here's my suggestion: Reparations can be paid to all who can prove they are descendents of slaves and who can prove they have suffered economically from that past injustice. The catch--as a condition of payment, the agrieved party will be repatriated to the country from which their anscestors were originally enslaved. The cost of such repatriation will, of course, be deducted from any reparation payment.

7 posted on 05/27/2002 6:59:45 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: RippleFire
There are problems that black Americans suffer that have their deep roots in slavery and racism. It doesn't seem reasonable that the thing to do about this legacy is...nothing.

This statement needs to be taken seriously. I have heard otherwise conservative black people say things of exactly this sort. Since non-black conservative opinion refuses to take any part of the reparations issue seriously, only liberal opinion is addressing this concern. That's politically dangerous.

Here is a conservative response:

The legacy of slavery, in terms of the reparations issue, is being confined to the realm of economics. In that sense, the legacy we're speaking about is one of historical capital deprivation.

American history has demonstrated that collective solutions to such issues are doomed to fail, or even to create worse problems (witness public housing or the welfare system). Therefore any serious attempt to address this issue must occur at the individual level. The free market has proven by far the most effective means of addressing issues of capital. The free market thrives where the government limits its activity to enforcing property rights and contracts.

Therefore, any serious attempt to address reparations is going to leave the government out of the solution. Talk of tax money or collective economics should be ignored in favor of individually directed solutions. Perhaps Jack Kemp's old idea of creating "enterprise zones," with reduced taxation and government economic involvement rather than more deserves attention in response to collectivist liberal solutions.

8 posted on 05/27/2002 7:02:28 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: RippleFire
Comer may not have a perfect proposal, but I'd sure love to hear it discussed.

Notice that Mr. Raspberry didn't provide an address - e-mail or otherwise - or a phone number that we could use to "discuss" it with him.

10 posted on 05/27/2002 7:08:39 AM PDT by jackbill
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To: RippleFire
Just exactly how many slaves did the U.S. Government own?

That's right - NONE.

The descendents of slaves (btw - who were sold into slavery by their own tribes and relatives) who are unhappy here should go visit their cousins in their homelands for a few months. Then we'll talk.

12 posted on 05/27/2002 7:25:35 AM PDT by Thom Pain
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To: RippleFire
My ancestors from the first African to land in SC all the way to my parents got a raw deal but I don't want reparations. Money can't repay their hardtimes and it would further ruin race relations in this country. Knowing my co-workers I'm pretty sure they'd resent knowing that I got a $2000 check from their taxes. Reparations is a really bad idea. It will push the races apart in a time when being American should be the most important thing.
13 posted on 05/27/2002 7:36:06 AM PDT by thathamiltonwoman
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To: RippleFire
How many generations of black people, I wonder, would be eligible for "reparations"? Only the current one? Their kids? Their grandkids?...How far into the future, Mr. Raspberry?

--Boris

15 posted on 05/27/2002 8:45:24 PM PDT by boris
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19 posted on 05/28/2002 8:29:20 AM PDT by mhking
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To: RippleFire
the failure of African-Americans to have access to the same political and economic situation as everybody else when everybody else had it.

Why is it that whiners like Raspberry and Comer always come along and try to tell me that I am disadvantaged because my great-great-however many great-grandfather was a slave? Why is it that I find myself doing just fine today without the assistance of the "reparations" demanded by the warlords? Why is it that plenty of other black folks are doing as well, or in many cases, better than I am - without the windfall brought about by the warlords? Why is it that I'm demonized for saying that we have no business doing anything but living as productive Americans, and pursuing the American Dream - just as the rest of America does every day?

That's because the warlords and the clueless (like the "esteemed" Mr. Raspberry, and his losing lottery ticket here) want something for nothing. Is there any wonder why everyone is upset at these lawsuits and other associated BS? There is no "failure" as Comer put it here. The inequities that he is speaking of are generations in the past. Life goes forward - I'm looking forward. Too bad that Comer, Raspberry and the warlords don't want to.

20 posted on 05/28/2002 8:37:00 AM PDT by mhking
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To: RippleFire
One problem with his proposal would involve choosing which foundations

why not the Rainbow foundation?
23 posted on 05/28/2002 8:59:14 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: RippleFire
Helter Skelter
24 posted on 05/28/2002 9:02:09 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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