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Supersonic Speed, Bit Binary Bit (Japan to surpass the Space Shuttle)
Wired ^ | 2:00 a.m. May 27, 2002 PDT | Stewart Taggart

Posted on 05/28/2002 5:13:14 PM PDT by vannrox

Edited on 06/29/2004 7:09:14 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

WOOMERA, South Australia -- Sandwiched between today's cattle-car jumbo jets and tomorrow's suborbital transport, Japan believes there's a niche for a revamped and updated supersonic jet -- say around 2012.

Japan's National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) now has a scale-model mockup of the plane, an 11-meter-long, two-ton beast sitting in the Australian desert, set to be test-flown in early July. Designed exclusively by supercomputer, the NAL has jumped directly from binary equations to flight tests of the new plane -- skipping wind tunnel tests entirely.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Japan; News/Current Events; Technical; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aircraft; dod; exploration; japan; military; nal; nasa; orbit; planet; science; scramjet; space; techindex

1 posted on 05/28/2002 5:13:16 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Does this have something to do with the Space Shuttle?
2 posted on 05/28/2002 5:15:27 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: vannrox


HyperSoar

3 posted on 05/28/2002 5:29:19 PM PDT by michigander
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To: RightWhale
Does this have something to do with the Space Shuttle?

Yes, it's the Japanese equivalent of the U.S. Shuttle program: A welfare program for aerospace bureaucrats.

4 posted on 05/28/2002 5:29:40 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: michigander
What kind of airplane is that . . . it doesn't have wings . . . no way.
5 posted on 05/28/2002 5:37:42 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: snopercod
Yes, it's the Japanese equivalent of the U.S. Shuttle program: A welfare program for aerospace bureaucrats.

Back around '73 or so, I was a student working in the wind-tunnels at NASA Ames Research Center when, one day, one of the scientists gloomily announced that NASA had passed a momentous milestone -- they now had more than one bureaucrat for each scientist.

They were tweaking the Space Shuttle design then. At the time it wasn't much more than a decade since the maned spaceflight program began. But now, almost 30 years later, what's there to show for transport? (Yes, their funding got cut -- but I'll bet the bureaucracy was last to go...)

6 posted on 05/28/2002 5:47:34 PM PDT by Eala
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To: RightWhale
You may be correct...



X-43A Failure; Source Points to Pegasus Booster

7 posted on 05/28/2002 5:50:26 PM PDT by michigander
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To: vannrox
I wish them luck...

remember "The 6 Million Dollar Man"...

well this is the actual ship that was flown and crashed by brave pilots in Test Flight...

on the upside the guy who was actually flying the M2-F2 when it crashed, and was used for the TV show, was nursed back to health and all he lost was an eye!!

Link to M2-F2!

8 posted on 05/28/2002 6:13:12 PM PDT by Nitro
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To: michigander
I had the "pleasure" of listening to the release countdown of one of the earlier Pegasus vehicles. It was a real cluster-f*ck.

It was apparent that the B-52 pilot had forgotten to reset his altimeter as he passed through 18,000 feet, and was 500' high at the release time. He was desperately trying to correct at T-0.

Someone was shouting "Abort! Abort!" on the net, and some other people were saying "huh?" as the Pegasus was released.

When it comes to launch teams, you get what you pay for.

9 posted on 05/28/2002 6:21:08 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: vannrox
I know quite a few older engineers that suffered through the mass cullings after the 70's SST craze.

They spitefully refer to these new designs as "lawn darts".

What the difference is between now and then I don't know. It could fall out of fancy just as quick.

I do know that during a big factory floor pow-wow / pep-rally at Boeing one of the big wigs (not Condit) seemed to imply that the problems with the noise from the oblique compression and expansion shock waves have been solved.

Something to do with projecting electromagnetic (microwave?) energy from the aero surfaces.

I do hope someone pushes the technology though. I haven't performed shock or isentropic flow relation calculations since my college days. It would be nice to pull out my NACA Mach tables again.

10 posted on 05/28/2002 6:24:13 PM PDT by avg_freeper
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To: vannrox
The shape is reminiscent of the old North American B-58 Hustler.
11 posted on 05/28/2002 7:31:46 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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To: vannrox
I absolutely, categorically, refuse to make any comments about Japanese copies of American (or Anglo/french) designs, using scrap iron shipped over from the New World, and being thrust into an arena left with a niche already built for it to dominate because of the (a) stupidity, (b) politically correct policies, or (c) self doubt so often displayed by western culture.

Nosir, won't do it.

However, I might at some date in the future jump, wave my arms, and shout..."remember the Zero!(Hughes racer, Sikorski 35, Curtis Hawk), Remember the Honda! (Corvair, Falcon), Remember the Kawasaki/Honda/Suzuki (Triumph, Norton, Ducatti, Moto-Guzzi, Bultaco, BSA, & etc.), and Remember Hiroshima! (senseless guilt and rampant post-event racial profiling).

12 posted on 05/28/2002 7:39:32 PM PDT by norton
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To: snopercod;norton;Right Whale;vannrox;michigander
The Japanese vehicle appears very similar to this DAST vehicle:

DAST configurations:

1977 DAST flight tests; launch platform B-52:

The Japanese have been pursuing engine improvement for some time:


Inception of the Jet Engine Ground Test at the Refurbished Test Facility - Achievement of the Rated Thrust -

13 posted on 05/28/2002 9:21:55 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: RightWhale
Bump.
14 posted on 05/28/2002 9:24:34 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Correction: 1979 [not 1977] DAST flight test photo.
15 posted on 05/28/2002 9:25:59 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Good find. Notice that the air-inlet of the Japanese version has been removed, and is covered with plastic. Or perhaps the entire engine just bolts on the bottom of the airframe.

I guess they may have invented something new down there.

16 posted on 05/29/2002 2:37:18 AM PDT by snopercod
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To: vannrox;tech_index
Good stuff!

Will working in Washington DC area some years ago I was able to see the Concorde fly in and out of Dulles Airport.

It's about time for a new Supersonic Passenger Plane, cause that was a lot of years ago!

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17 posted on 05/29/2002 11:16:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: VadeRetro; snopercod; vannrox; RightWhale
See: Japanese Scale-Model Superjet Crashes in Test, Reuters, July 13, 2002 (posted July 14th by VadeRetro).

18 posted on 07/14/2002 5:16:29 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
Japanese seem to have more than their share of development problems with vehicles that are intended to fly. Their cars are fine.
19 posted on 07/14/2002 7:00:54 PM PDT by RightWhale
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