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Bin Laden Nearly Obtained the Most Dangerous Weapon
pravda ^ | 5/30/02

Posted on 05/30/2002 1:21:53 PM PDT by knak

In the photo: thallium was most likely stolen from a similar sub

Russia’s Federal Security Service prevented leakage of poisonous substance that had been stolen from an enterprise specializing in utilization of worn out nuclear submarines. Fortunately, the “poisonous bomb” did not detonate.

Here is the official information from Russia’s Federal Security Service:

“An unauthorized attempt to sell and purchase a virulent poisonous substance, thallium, was prevented. The FSB discovered a group of people who schemed the resale of the poisonous metal. Special search activities were held to withdraw about five kilogram of thallium. The people were detained, and a criminal case based on the RF Criminal Code article #234 was initiated. The substance is extremely dangerous. The maximum concentration limit of thallium in water makes up only 0,0001 mg/m3, and 0,0004 mg/m3 in free air. Thallium is extremely ecologically dangerous because it quickly oxidizes when exposed to air.”

The investigation of the criminal case is not finished yet, which is why we are not authorized to report all the details. We will try to explain the potential danger of five kg of thallium in simple words: the amount is quite enough to poison hydraulic works of such large cities like Moscow or St. Petersburg. The tragedy would kill more people than the Sept.11 terrorism attack in New York.

In addition, bin Laden’s terrorists studied characteristics of poisonous substances in Afghanistan’s training centers of Taliban. Thallium is one of the key substances they studied. Indeed, the metal is the most invisible weapon. At the same time, it has not yet been officially reported that the stolen thallium originates from Chechnya, it is just a supposition.

A competent person, who requested anonymity, said, “Originally, we identified two persons who offered so-called thallium cartridges (components of measuring devices at nuclear subs). We know nothing yet about other members of the group and origin of the poisonous substance. A special activity called “controlled supply” was held to identify the way the poison could be stolen from the enterprise. People involved in the murky deal were caught red-handed. One man, a former security guard at a northern enterprise specializing in the repair of nuclear submarines, was arrested and taken to a special isolation cell. Other members of the group, a kind of chain consisting of four people, were released after giving a written undertaking not to leave the area. The case was brought before the Martial Prosecutor’s Office. The criminal chain started with a senior naval officer; four thallium cartridges were withdrawn from him. Simultaneously, another channel for stealing thallium was discovered. Former police officer worked at one of the military units; nine thallium cartridges were found on him.

During the searching operations, an inspection was held at several shipyards, military units and vessels belonging to the Northern Fleet. It may seem a paradox, but all officially registered thallium cartridges were right in their places.

Where do the extra cartridges come from? No doubt, they originate from Russian submarines. People close to the problem say that the incident provoked a special collegium of Russia’s Ministry of Justice. Indeed, lawyers are to pay special attention to the precedent.

Article #234 of the Russian Criminal Code provides calls for imprisonment of up to eight years if the case can be characterized as “an organized crime," “large-scale fraud," or “crime in agreement." Experienced layers say that almost all members of the group are free now and are unlikely to be further imprisoned, as the case is really contradictory. The court will not probably find enough reasons to bring the people into criminal account for the thallium case. Thallium is not on the list of substances to which the article #234 can be applied. The article is called: “Illegal turnover of strong and poisonous substances for further re-sale.” At the same time, it is said in the comment to the Criminal Code: “Name of the article #234 is not good enough. It becomes clear when we compare the article with a similar one #228, in which all operations with poisonous substances are enumerated (production, storage, sale, transportation, etc.)” On the whole, layers have got enough problems to think over as concerning this very case.

A naval expert of PRAVDA.Ru and former submarine engineer suggested his own version of the incident based on his own experience. He says that thallium cartridges are components of AK-198 oxygen meters installed in water-chemical labs in the tenth compartment of practically all subs of 667 modification. The devices are designed to measure oxygen content in water circulating in steam-turbine plants. In beginning of the 1990s, control over the liquidation of worn out submarines was not tight enough, which is why some spare thallium could appear. Thanks God, Usama bin Laden does not seem to be connected with the thallium fraud. Passion for money-grubbing, so typical of Russians, seems to be the cause of the problem.

For reference:

Thallium (lat. Tallium) is a silvery white metal with a grayish tint. Has no taste and smell; criminals try to profit from the characteristics because the poison is difficult to identify. Thallium poisoning is extremely dangerous, because it causes inflammations for which there is no cure. The poisoning appears to be flu or pneumonia, which is why doctors prescribe antibiotics that are certainly of no effect in this case. Symptoms of thallium poisoning are affection of nervous system, kidneys, stomach, and the loss of hair.”


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1 posted on 05/30/2002 1:21:54 PM PDT by knak
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To: knak
The poisoning appears to be flu or pneumonia, which is why doctors prescribe antibiotics that are certainly of no effect in this case. Symptoms of thallium poisoning are affection of nervous system, kidneys, stomach, and the loss of hair.
Imagine something like this in your reservoir or water supply.
2 posted on 05/30/2002 1:24:34 PM PDT by Asclepius
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To: knak
I remember reading some years ago that Saddam used thallium to poison some Kurdish villages. Does anyone else remember that? Awful symptoms, awful death, awful stuff.
3 posted on 05/30/2002 1:27:11 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Asclepius
Wonder if Brita filter would get it.
4 posted on 05/30/2002 1:27:56 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: knak
Thallium poisoning is extremely dangerous

My memory may be hazy...but I think that about 25 years ago a couple of university
students got sick (and dead?) from thallium exposure encountered during lab research.

That memory is really hazy, but I know from reading that thallium is to be avoided
at all cost.
5 posted on 05/30/2002 1:41:04 PM PDT by VOA
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To: knak
A while back I was watching a program on the disarmament of nukes in Russia.

One of the major problems was that every manager kept a double set of books. One that had the exact information the comrade you worked for wanted to see, and the other had the real information. This was done as Standard Operating Procedure in the soviet management model. It was needed for CYA.

I imagine that is why they cannot find any missing canisters.

6 posted on 05/30/2002 2:27:09 PM PDT by eFudd
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Thallium used to be used in rat poison. Banned in rat poison since 1972.
7 posted on 05/30/2002 2:45:56 PM PDT by remaininlight
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To: remaininlight
I believe it is also used as a depilatory ( or used to be.)
Never mind !! I was thinking of selenium ( which is also fairly toxic stuff. )
8 posted on 05/30/2002 4:13:15 PM PDT by genefromjersey
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To: remaininlight
Thallium used to be used in rat poison. Banned in rat poison since 1972.

I seem to remember that thallium was used as a rat poison. Do you know if it was banned because it was too inhumane to rats or too dangerous to humans? I suspect the latter.

9 posted on 05/30/2002 6:11:43 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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10 posted on 05/30/2002 6:12:32 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: knak
Source = Pravda ?!

hmmmmmm

11 posted on 05/30/2002 6:15:10 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: knak
Thallium is also used in a medical procedure that uses the radioactive substance to produce images of the heart muscle. When combined with an exercise test on a threadmill, the scan helps determine if areas of the heart receive enough blood .

Maybe binLaden was in heart failure as well as kidney failure, too.

12 posted on 05/30/2002 6:28:46 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

Time
May 13, 2002 WORLD; Pg. 26

Inside Saddam's World;
The U.S. likes to portray Iraq's regime as shaky. But TIME's reporting inside Iraq suggests Saddam isn't losing his grip


Johanna McGeary/Baghdad, With reporting by J.F.O. McAllister/London, Scott MacLeod/Amman, Massimo Calabresi, Mark Thompson/Washington, Andrew Purvis/Kurdistan

(snip)

The tales of Saddam's brutish violence are legion. Abu Harith (not his real name) spent his life in Saddam's inner circle. He still looks the part: he has the characteristic paunch, the moustache, the Rolex, the confident walk of a senior officer. He spent a year in the foreign directorate of the Defense Ministry, then transferred into Jihaz al-Amin al-Khas, or Special Security Organization (SSO), the elite intelligence outfit responsible for Saddam's personal security, the construction and hiding of weapons of mass destruction and other sensitive tasks. In the 1990s, Abu Harith ran a front company in Jordan purchasing computers, chemical-analysis equipment and special paper for forging passports; then he moved on to Dubai to oversee a lucrative oil-smuggling enterprise.
 
Abu Harith can't feel his fingertips or his right leg anymore. His joints ache, and his fingers are puffy. These, he says, are
the aftereffects of being poisoned by the guards of Saddam's son Uday in 1998. One day that October, he was out walking with a young female cousin when Uday, cruising in his car, spotted her and ordered his guards to snatch her for his evening's entertainment, as is his notorious practice. Abu Harith fended them off.

That night Uday's thugs grabbed him at his house and sped him to Uday's farm, where he says he was tied to a palm tree for two days and repeatedly beaten. Uday branded him with a hot iron on his back and shoulder. Then one of the guards injected Abu Harith's arm with something that hurt; he still has a lump there. He was driven back to Baghdad and dumped near his home.

When he fled to the Kurdish-controlled north, his suspicions were confirmed: he had been given thallium, a heavy metal used in rat poison that kills slowly through internal bleeding. Kurdish officials got him to Turkey, where he received medical attention.
 

13 posted on 05/30/2002 6:53:25 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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