1 posted on
05/30/2002 4:25:59 PM PDT by
Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Ahmed Rashid is a journalist from Pakistan, and his book on the Taliban shows how well he understands the situation.
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Many Pakistanis think a nuclear bomb just makes a bigger bang than an ordinary one. I guess so!
5 posted on
05/30/2002 4:40:06 PM PDT by
knak
To: Pokey78
I believe this could very easily spiral out of control, Pakistan reacting with use of nuclear arms to counter the large Indian military personnel numbers. When this happens all bets are off.
The scenarios I've seen talk of limited nukes hitting cities close to the border. Sorry, but I see new Dehli and Islamabad as much more likely targets.
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To: Pokey78
I'm very concerned about this. It's playing right into the hands of the muslim extremists who may find an opportunity to get control of Pakistan (and nukes) should war break out.
Where's Ghandi when you need him? :p
To: Pokey78
Am I the only one who doesn't care if the Indians and the Pakistanis all kill each other?
To: Pokey78
BTW, I think that any local region has the right to choose their fealty. Just as I beleive the states in America have the right to seceed if they so choose, if Kashmire wants to be a part of Pakistan then India ought to let it go.
That's my first instinct though I admit I'm not terribly well informed on the situation as a whole.
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For the first time in Pakistan's history, and with the experience of three wars with India, people are not rallying around the army to defend the motherland, but are demanding Gen Musharraf's resignation.I think most of this article was pretty accurate, but I don't think that statement is correct, unless it's referring to a pretty small minority. Musharraf had nowhere near the 96% (or whatever it was) vote claimed in the election, but every indication I've seen shows that he's still popular, editorials by former PM Benazir Bhutto notwithstanding.
But, this is also an article which implies that if Jack Straw can't solve the problem, it can't be solved and nuclear war can happen any second.
Let's set the record straight. Jack Straw is an idiot, and he's a British idiot trying to intervene in a country that just threw the British out 50 years ago.
Let's wait until Boucher and Rumsfeld visit there before tossing in the towel and heading for the fallout shelters.
24 posted on
05/30/2002 5:00:14 PM PDT by
Dog Gone
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Frankly, I believe we'd be living in a saner, safer, much happier world today if we'd nuked the capitals of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Somalia, and Saudi Arabia as soon as we discovered our nation was attacked by Muslim terrorist savages. The war against terrorist savagry would be won by now, and the entire Islamic world would finally have understood there's no future in attacking the civilized world.
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The parties are kicking a lot of dirt on each other right now. Trying to provoke the other, or prove their manhood for their constituents back home. The Indians are inclined to go, the Pakis are doing their best to dare them to cross the line.
The leftist paradigm allows the weaker Pakis to attack India without penalty, while India must show "restraint". India appears well past restraint at this stage. Add to that the muslim 'humiliation' issue, so that the Pakis feel obligated to respond to the Indian build-up. India attacks conventionally due to some provocation, Pakistan respond conventionally, but is soon overwhelmed in the air and at sea. Some Paki field commander, about to be overrun, resorts to nukes (Paki C&C is notoriously bad - Musharraf claims he has no control, doesn't know where the nukes are. If they're in the field as
reported, even if under "loyal" commanders, their security is significantly at risk). India responds in kind, heavily. Total elapsed time: 3-5 minutes. The World's Shortest and Deadliest War.
If the Pakis simply backed away from the border and put away their toys, world pressure on India to do likewise would be impossible to ignore. However, that would be '
humiliating' to the Pakis ( It's a Muslim Thing, You Wouldn't Understand
© ), so it doesn't seem likely. The US could put its troops in harms way. That would stop the Indis, but not the Paki terrorists. If India pulls back, the Paki fundamentalists would see that as a sign of victory and redouble their efforts. A "Mexican Standoff" of sorts.
Jihadis in Kashmir are the wildcard, no matter how many conversations occur between Washington, New Delhi and Islamabad, If the terrorists cannot be contained by Pakistan (mid-management seems reluctant) or blocked by India (unlikely), further attacks in Indian-controlled Kashmir and elsewhere will occur. If sufficiently provocative, they could push New Delhi to act decisively.
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46 posted on
05/30/2002 5:57:47 PM PDT by
Bob J
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If
"India has won the international community to its side and isolated Pakistan ", including, it seems, some Pakistanis, and Mushy's true colors are showing up, we should promptly put Pakistan on notice. It seems isolated in the entire Muslim world and even by the Muslims in India!
47 posted on
05/30/2002 5:58:25 PM PDT by
mikeIII
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The US needs to position any ABM technology it has to the area. Since India has said that they will not be the first to use nuclear weapons, any ABM technology should be depolyed to shoot down Pakistani missles.
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There's one sure way to end the trivialization of nuclear weapons.
Hey, perhaps the US should trade one Daisycutter for every nuke they give us. You get a big bang without the bad aftertaste.;^)
62 posted on
05/30/2002 6:38:51 PM PDT by
Kermit
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>>Many Pakistanis think a nuclear bomb just makes a bigger bang than an ordinary one<<
How many jihadis can one H-bomb vaporize?
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To: Pokey78
The need for international intervention has never been greater, not just to prevent a war but to force the two sides finally to resolve the Kashmir dispute
What the author is really saying is.....
time for the US to pony up big bucks and military pizza-delivery.
BS
Let them kill each other, we have our own problems to solve
89 posted on
05/30/2002 7:35:56 PM PDT by
WhiteGuy
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Meanwhile, the trivialisation of nuclear war by both armies and their macho ideologies - jihad and martyrdom on the one side, Hindu fundamentalism on the other - coupled with the elite's refusal to educate their public about the horrors of nuclear conflict, only add to the dangers. Many Pakistanis think a nuclear bomb just makes a bigger bang than an ordinary one.The US and the USSR had very opposing ideologies, the big difference that kept us from war (and we came close a few times) is the fact that we had oceans between us and both sides understand exactly what a nuclear war would entail - that is not the case here, and that scares the crap out of me. They start tossing nukes, US servicemen in Afghanistan/Pakistan will be harmed, not to mention the fallout and subsequent cleanup (which of course George will ride to the rescue, with our tax dollars).
101 posted on
05/30/2002 7:49:08 PM PDT by
texlok
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