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Abortion foe tests clinics by placing calls as pregnant girl
page A27 of the Boston Globe ^ | 5/31/2002 | David Crary, Associated Press

Posted on 05/31/2002 7:28:50 AM PDT by rface

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK - Antiabortion activists have revealed the latest covert tactic in their running battle against abortion clinics: A woman posing as a pregnant teenager has been calling clinics in an attempt to draw them into violating the law.

Life Dynamics, a Texas-based antiabortion group, said one of its activists has called more than 800 abortion clinics nationwide in recent months, pretending to be a 13-year-old girl made pregnant by her 22-year-old boyfriend.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; nhs; prolife
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Aggresive tactic and a good idea.

Ashland, Missouri

1 posted on 05/31/2002 7:28:50 AM PDT by rface
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To: rface
Further proof that abortion has no basis whatsoever in U.S. law or natural law. Nobody would even think of using this kind of tactic to try and get any ordinary doctor into trouble with the law, and for a very simple reason -- there is no need to do so. Any other branch of the "medical profession" wouldn't even think of dealing directly with a 13 year-old patient without having a parent or legal guardian involved.
2 posted on 05/31/2002 7:33:28 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: rface
How can a fake-caller cause any laws to be violated, since the caller is a fake none of the laws would apply (there are no laws against anything you say to self-confessed liars.)
3 posted on 05/31/2002 7:34:09 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: rface
Another example of "Liars for Christ" by the way.
4 posted on 05/31/2002 7:35:36 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
That's an interesting take -- I guess this means that anyone who is arrested during an undercover child-porn sweep never really violated any laws, since he was actually just dealing with the police and not some pervert taking pictures of young kids.
5 posted on 05/31/2002 7:36:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: rface
''In most instances, the law recognizes that the one-size-fits-all approach doesn't work on such a sensitive issue,'' she said.

????? What is she saying, she can violate the law if she feels the situation calls for it?

6 posted on 05/31/2002 7:39:59 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: jlogajan
Another example of "Liars for Christ" by the way.

Nothing at all was said about religon in this article.
Are you just trying to start a religon thread fight?

7 posted on 05/31/2002 7:40:54 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: rface
"A woman posing as a pregnant teenager has been calling clinics in an attempt to draw them into violating the law."

No, they are documenting that Planned ParentAbortionhood is actually violating the law. The tape recordings are invaluable.

Great article, rface!

8 posted on 05/31/2002 7:41:11 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Alberta's Child
Isn't this amazing? Your kid cannot be touched by a medical professional, without your permission, if he or she has a cut. Your daughter can enter a clinic and have an abortion, a possible life threatening procedure, and you don't have to know about it. I commend these people for pointing out the hypocracy of the abortion industry.
9 posted on 05/31/2002 7:42:18 AM PDT by wjcsux
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Another example of "Liars for Christ" by the way.

I think one of the first of this group was Saint Peter....he was a bad liar though.

Ashland, Missouri

10 posted on 05/31/2002 7:44:34 AM PDT by rface
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To: jlogajan
"Logajan, is apparently the Ellis Island phonetic spelling of a Rumanian name. Meaning?"

...Clymer?

11 posted on 05/31/2002 7:47:55 AM PDT by Bigg Red
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To: rface
Abortionists mum on concealment charges
12 posted on 05/31/2002 7:50:25 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Alberta's Child; jlogajan
I guess this means that anyone who is arrested during an undercover child-porn sweep never really violated any laws, since he was actually just dealing with the police and not some pervert taking pictures of young kids.

I think the difference is that Life Dynamics isn’t the police, just a group with an established agenda who’s using deception to attempt to prove a point. I think these findings are somewhat dubious and wish that the Pro Life groups would take the high road on this. We have the moral high ground and tactics like this can cause us to cede it.

posting photos on the Internet of women seeking abortions.

This is an issue that I have a major problem with. While as a Catholic, I am obviously against abortion and personally against artificial contraception, I don’t think I have the right to try to stop or dissuade someone else from seeking contraception or counseling. Further, who’s to say that the woman who’s picture is being posted on the internet is actually there for either of these at all? What if she’s there for rape counseling or treatment of an STD etc.? This kind of ham-fisted approach only assists the other side in painting us to look like barbarian thugs.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

13 posted on 05/31/2002 7:52:09 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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I guess Christians can't be actors because that would be lying in your book.
14 posted on 05/31/2002 7:52:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: *Pro_life;*Abortion_list
Ping
15 posted on 05/31/2002 7:53:25 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Owl_Eagle
I think the difference is that Life Dynamics isn’t the police . . .

Which is precisely why they are well within their rights to engage in any kind of deception like this as long as they don't break the law. When you have a situation where "the law" won't even take it upon itself to prosecute clear violations of the law, the notion that the pro-life movement needs to occupy any kind of "high ground." In case you've forgotten, we live in a country that owes its existence to a bunch of guys who overthrew their government just because they thought the taxes were too high.

. . . posting photos on the Internet of women seeking abortions.

This is one more case to illustrate the idiocy of the entire abortion industry. Photographing an adult in a public place is perfectly legal. What are we going to do -- start making one exception to this? Abortion clinics are already given outrageous protection in U.S. law from peaceful demonstrators -- a unique protection, by the way, that doesn't even apply to people demonstrating in front of police stations, hospitals, OR EVEN A MILITARY BASE!

Nobody seems to complain when a bunch of concerned citizens take pictures of out-of-state cars in neighborhoods where prostitutes ply their trade. And yet I could find my license plate posted on a website just because I got lost in that neighborhood and stopped to ask for directions.

16 posted on 05/31/2002 8:03:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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Which is precisely why they are well within their rights to engage in any kind of deception…[insinuation that there is no need for the{my words}] notion that the pro-life movement needs to occupy any kind of "high ground”…

I’m not arguing whether they have the right to do so, I’m just saying that it really doesn’t prove anything due to their obvious lack of objectivity and admitted acceptance of deception to prove a point.

In case you've forgotten, we live in a country that owes its existence to a bunch of guys who overthrew their government just because they thought the taxes were too high.

The reason for the overthrow of the British Govt. was taxation without representation. Since we have representation, we are free to attempt to advance a Constitutional Amendment that upholds a child’s right not to be aborted/murdered.

This is another reason for the Pro Life movement to take the high road in that we can win as many supporters for a Constitutional Amendment to overturn Roe V Wade.

Nobody seems to complain when a bunch of concerned citizens take pictures of out-of-state cars in neighborhoods where prostitutes ply their trade. And yet I could find my license plate posted on a website just because I got lost in that neighborhood and stopped to ask for directions.

And I would say if your picture was posted on the internet (or other identifying information) in a format that would lead a reasonable person to believe that you were visiting a prostitute, that would also be wrong.

Owl _ Eagle
“Guns before butter.”

17 posted on 05/31/2002 8:25:27 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel
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To: jlogajan
Is it safe to assume that only Christians are opposed to abortion? They are using a tactic that the press has used for a very long time. They are only exposing illegal behavior on the part of people who will do anything to advance their agenda. Christians are not the only ones who are at odds with that agenda.
18 posted on 05/31/2002 8:29:44 AM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom
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To: jlogajan
lurking...
19 posted on 05/31/2002 8:38:03 AM PDT by JediGirl
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To: rface
Seems to me there's a big difference between the clinic employees handling the calls, and the clinics actually performing the abortion illegally on minors.
20 posted on 05/31/2002 8:44:51 AM PDT by stuartcr
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