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Study: Women in combat bad idea
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, June 4, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 06/03/2002 11:38:26 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

A study completed last month by the British Ministry of Defense concludes that current restrictions against assigning women to ground combat units should stay in effect.

According to a May 23 report in the London Daily Telegraph, the recommendation follows a two-year study and nine full months of testing, in which military officials determined it would be "too risky" to allow women into ground combat roles.

The paper said that Defense Minister Geoffrey Hoon told the British House of Commons that data indicated women might not react the same as men in the heat of battle. Also, the paper said the study found that the presence of women "might make the men act differently, either by defending women who were shouted at by commanders or by refusing to leave them if so ordered."

Additionally, officials said there could be problems with attitudes towards women, which could lead to a reduction in the efficiency of combat units.

In Britain, as in the U.S., women are allowed to serve as fighter pilots, aboard warships, excluding submarines, and most army positions, including serving as forward observers for artillery units. But they are banned from serving in units that must directly "close with the enemy," which includes special forces teams, traditional infantry, armored units and Marine combat units.

Adm. Sir Michael Boyce, chief of the defense staff, said that allowing women into front-line combat roles would be an "irresponsible experiment."

The British study, titled "Women in the Armed Forces," found that most women performed "significantly" worse than men in physical testing. While Hoon said that reason alone was not enough to continue the ban, he pointed out that the study also found that women had a "reduced capacity for aggression."

Also at issue was whether the presence of women would affect strict regimens of discipline needed in most ground combat units.

While the study wasn't clear whether such regimens would be compromised, Ministry of Defense officials insist that "the maintenance of cohesion among the team members is seen as a vital component in sustaining combat effectiveness."

"The small size of the basic unit in ground combat, coupled with the unrelenting mental and physical pressure extending over days or weeks, sets them apart from other military roles," said the study. "Even small failures in a high-intensity, close combat environment can lead to loss of life or the failure of the team to meet its objectives."

Meanwhile, in the U.S., the Bush administration in May put the brakes on a Clinton administration policy allowing women to be trained for land combat roles.

The decision means that eight women who were training in mobile combat units called "Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Target Acquisition squadrons" – part of the Army's new Interim Brigade Combat Teams – are being reassigned to other non-combat roles.

A Pentagon spokesman told WND yesterday that no changes to the current rules guiding women in combat are being planned. Under a 1994 law, women are barred from "direct combat" roles involving ground warfare.

The administration's decision "shows that Bush defense team leaders have their priorities straight and that they take the realities of warfare seriously," said Elaine Donnelly, director of the Center for Military Readiness, which does not support allowing women in combat roles. "Feminist civilians fail to understand that the new IBCT/RSTA squadrons will have a serious and dangerous job to do. They should not be treated as just another 'career opportunity.'"

Donnelly is a former member of the Pentagon's Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services and the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Services.

The administration allowed the DACOWITS charter to expire Feb. 28, reflecting what most political analysts believe is a White House opposed to placing women in more combat roles.

The committee was formed 50 years ago as a means to promote the role of women in the services. Critics, however, complained that it had predominantly become a tool for radically feminizing the armed forces, backing such policy initiatives as co-ed basic training and the assignment of women to submarines.


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Tuesday, June 4, 2002

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1 posted on 06/03/2002 11:38:27 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
In a related story, 2 + 2 = 4.
2 posted on 06/04/2002 12:03:57 AM PDT by Jonathon Spectre
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To: Jonathon Spectre
Women in front line combat is a bad idea. Families are not ready to see their daughters come home in body bags.
3 posted on 06/04/2002 12:14:06 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
As an extreme conservative many people don't like my opinion on women and feminism in particular. But I will say now that women would have wished that they never would have mentioned women in the military. Because WAR IS HELL. Plain and simple and I don't want any of the women in my family to go through it.
4 posted on 06/04/2002 12:22:16 AM PDT by JohnnyReb1983
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To: goldstategop
I'll take it one step closer to the truth: Women in the military is a bad idea and has terrible, morale-busting and nation risking effects.
5 posted on 06/04/2002 1:20:45 AM PDT by Thorondir
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To: Jonathon Spectre;JohnHuang2
This just in: The sun rises in the east.
6 posted on 06/04/2002 1:47:41 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Thorondir
Disagree. Women have a long and proud history of support service in the military. You have a problem with my aunt, the retired nurse, with service in WWII and Korea, my sister-in-law, a jet repair technician, or our daughter, training for intelligence?
7 posted on 06/04/2002 2:39:33 AM PDT by NYpeanut
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To: NYpeanut
Support is OK. Direct combat is not.
8 posted on 06/04/2002 2:43:22 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: JohnHuang2
Women in combat bad idea. We aren't prepared to see our daughter's coming home dead in body bags.

Here's another one for you. Men in combat bad idea. They come home dead too.

ANYONE in COMBAT, BAD IDEA. They DIE.

I am not a pacifist, so no need to flame. I am just trying to get everyone to see that it is a bad idea period.

Where we can avoid war, we are all better off.

Where we can't, I don't think it makes much difference whether you are male or female. Dead is dead.

Would we take away a woman's right to defend her country? Did we not already accept that men and women are equal?

Or are we more concerned with our sqeamishness at seeing dead women?

9 posted on 06/04/2002 2:57:05 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: JohnHuang2
bump
10 posted on 06/04/2002 5:01:23 AM PDT by Maelstrom
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To: UCANSEE2
Where we can't, I don't think it makes much difference whether you are male or female. Dead is dead.

The idea is not to die, huckleberry, the idea is to brutally wade into it and win by virtue of sheer strength, aggressiveness and commitment to physical confrontation. Most women have a hard time with verbal confrontation of a yelling nature. Well, bullets and explosions aimed at a frail human body is a hell of a lot more disconforting than a raised voice.

Do you want to chance your family's welfare on an assault force not stopped by a mixed sex opposing force?

11 posted on 06/04/2002 5:20:27 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: UCANSEE2
It isn't about women being equal--it's about what works and what doesn't. I'm a vet. Women have a limited place in the military, in support roles, where they can often do an outstanding job, but that's it. Many (not all) female military personnel still freak when there is a spider in the bathroom, for God's sake. The sexual tension within a mixed unit deployed is also disruptive, not to mention death on marriages when deployments are prolonged and frequent. Placing women in combat units with result in decreased efficiency and increased mortality--ours. And I'm female.
12 posted on 06/04/2002 5:45:01 AM PDT by citizen4reality
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To: citizen4reality
Oh, I agree that American women should not be used in actual fighting roles in combat. It is nice to see a female agree this is the case, not just the males.

I was also responding to the earlier posts that it was not so much women in combat, but the families seeing their daughters (instead of sons) coming back dead that were the problem.

13 posted on 06/04/2002 6:00:41 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: goldstategop
Women in front line combat is a bad idea. Families are not ready to see their daughters come home in body bags.

So they are ready to see their sons come home in bodybags?

14 posted on 06/04/2002 7:51:36 AM PDT by David Hunter
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To: goldstategop
I realize families are not ready to see their daughters come home in body bags but neither are they ready to see their sons.If you want equal rights then serve equally.All of these people wanting this rights want them until a time of crisis.You cant legislate equality no better than you can legislate crime away.America has gone over the edge when it comes to writing rules and these same rules and guidelines will cripple us before it is over.
15 posted on 06/04/2002 7:55:37 AM PDT by gunnedah
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To: JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; dubyaismypresident; Constitution Day; hobbes1; xsmommy
Study: Women in combat bad idea

DUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH

Other studies of note:
Sexually Active Women More Likely to Get Knocked Up
People Who Smoke Pot More Likely to Get High
Study Finds Picking Nose in Public Generally Not Socially Acceptable

Okay I'll stop now... Bwahaha...

16 posted on 06/04/2002 7:57:54 AM PDT by maxwell
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To: maxwell
Sexually Active Women More Likely to Get Knocked Up

Really? D'oh!

8^)

17 posted on 06/04/2002 8:03:41 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: maxwell
ROFL !
18 posted on 06/04/2002 8:04:16 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: UCANSEE2
"Or are we more concerned with our sqeamishness at seeing dead women?"

I think that we are concerned with the security of our nation. Anyway, I think that one "good war" with women in the frontlines would kill the notion of women in combat. In the past, women have served in support roles, and those who trot out what their female members have done in the military are talking about women in support roles.

19 posted on 06/04/2002 8:06:41 AM PDT by Don Myers
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To: William Terrell
"Do you want to chance your family's welfare on an assault force not stopped by a mixed sex opposing force? "

Yes, many people would do just that.

20 posted on 06/04/2002 8:07:51 AM PDT by Don Myers
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