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One of the best pieces I've read about zero tolerance. Rosen nails it.
1 posted on 06/05/2002 8:26:08 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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2 posted on 06/05/2002 8:37:17 AM PDT by EdReform
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Now, now...we need zero intelligence tolerance to keep the kids in line. Think of the anarchy these little hellions will eventually reap on society. Remember that rule we should have learning in school: "Don't point".

More Ritalin...that will calm these little hellions down. After all, we don't want them to have even toy guns. And using their fingers to emulate guns is, well, it's just creative...and we certainly don't want to instill creativity in our youths, nor allow them to use their imaginations. Otherwise, they won't develop into the nice little, mushmealed, mindless robots we need to be the future of America.

(end sarcasm)
3 posted on 06/05/2002 8:42:18 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Any parent stupid enough to keep their kids in a public school (read 'indoctrination warehouse') deserves everything that happens.

Get thee to a library and check out John Gatto's Hidden History of American Education.

5 posted on 06/05/2002 8:54:37 AM PDT by martin gibson
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Maybe citizen's should get a referendum going that would create a zero-tolerance policy for taxaholic politicians and education industry thugs. No three strikes either!
7 posted on 06/05/2002 9:29:41 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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In the fiefdom of government schools, parents with grievances aren't customers or taxpayers; they're the enemy.

This is so true. Twenty years ago a friend sat in a parents' orientation for her oldest son going to kindergarten. She summarized the content of the meeting as the school representatives explaining to the parents how the school would now begin "re-raising" their children for them. Today's government-controlled school system is nothing more than a logical outgrowth of what my friend saw 20 years ago.

8 posted on 06/05/2002 9:39:47 AM PDT by FourPeas
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Bogus zero tolerance standards are born from government body setting ethics standards. It's not a direct cause and effect relationship. Yet it comes from the same type failed characters and mind-set.

When a person does wrong to another person and then goes on to understand why what they did was wrong and thus openly acknowledge they were wrong, it is expected in the future that they will be as honest about future errors they make. For they have demonstrated the desire and ability to acknowledge and right their wrongs.

With politicians they almost never openly admit they were wrong, for they don't want to be held by the same future standard that all other people, for the most part, abide. For politicians it has little to do with being perceived as always being right. Instead, it is about avoiding having to show, via their actions, that they have demonstrated the desire and ability to acknowledge and right their wrongs. As often as they do make errors and wrong actions -- either out of ignorance or incompetence -- they desperately want to avoid being held to a standard of honesty and integrity in the future.

Simply put, once a person sincerely demonstrates the ability to be straight-forth, honest and respectful of integrity they have set a standard that others can expect from them in the future. Having done that, consider what transpires when the person later on creates a wrong but chooses not to hold true to his or her previously set standard of honesty and integrity. Onlookers see the person is being outright deceptive or dishonest.

In other words, once a person sets an honest standard for themselves they have to live up to it or the contradiction sticks out like a sore thumb. If and when that happens the person corrects that error. The fact is, most politicians, bureaucrats, media elite and academia elite shut down that very important aspect of character development. They avoid it all together. Else wise they wouldn't be able to look themselves in the mirror. Instead, to cover for their neglect they rely on ethical standards set by a governing body. But the standards set by a governing body, especially when it's bureaucrats setting ethical standards, they too have shut down that important aspect of their character development. Thus the ethical standards the governing body sets is all but void of what you and I and virtually every other person lives by -- the nature of conscious man.

That said, the government officials that are now in office, as well as their predecessors, are among the worst people to have high-ranking-government jobs. Not to mention that most of those jobs wouldn't have existed in the first place if people with a commitment to honesty and integrity ran the government -- people who do not neglect their character development.

Is it any wonder that so much weight is put on the character of a candidates seeking to win elections. The mainstream media is not unlike the politicians in that media elites have also chosen to neglect the same important aspect of character development as they become complicit in covering for their soul-mates in government. Ditto for the academia elite.

Even when politicians and bureaucrats admit they were wrong, in all but the rarest of instances it isn't until so much exposure of their wrong has been leaked out that they eventually admit they were wrong. That admittance of doing wrong has nothing to do with character development. Character development is voluntary and needs no prodding. Least wise not for adults. Prodding adolescents is a different issue and necessary at times. Come to think of it, most politicians and bureaucrats would fail an adolescent character test.

Around the world, governments are run by humanoids. Humanoids that have chosen to neglect their character development. They wield tremendous government power that has been usurped via failed characters -- deceiving the people/tax-payers they are supposed to be protecting. Each humanoid-politician and bureaucrat is several magnitudes more harmful than nearly any violent criminal of the day. They are not like you and I and every other person who lives naturally according to the nature of conscience man.

For more information on the above click 4, 20 and 26 from the thread titled: Threats to rule of law in America Walter Williams warns government meddling in private dealings

10 posted on 06/05/2002 1:22:59 PM PDT by Zon
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12 posted on 11/12/2002 1:40:35 PM PST by Coleus
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13 posted on 11/12/2002 1:54:00 PM PST by Coleus
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Meanwhile, the world's greatest five year old went to the zoo Sunday afternoon. The sky threatened rain, so I carried an umbrella. One of the pandas was stretched out on a log. I asked if The Kid saw it. She looked intently.

A moment's silence. Then, "I see it! Give me the umbrella!!"

Me: "Ok, why?"

"I need to shoot it."

Careful aim; "kershoo."

I don't even know where that game came from, but when in need, an umbrella makes a perfectly serviceable gun. We proceeded to annihilate most of the big game at the zoo. I suppose I am lucky not to be in jail today.

14 posted on 11/12/2002 2:08:22 PM PST by sphinx
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