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Fox News Poll: Clinton Gets Blame for 9-11
NewsMax.com ^ | June 8, 2002 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/08/2002 8:50:02 AM PDT by Carl/NewsMax

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To: Almondjoy
"all ignored it"

Geeee, I don't think you can pin that one on Reagan. He went to Grenada and rescued our students - the media was outraged because he didn't tell them what he was going to do, and when they got wind of it, the military kept them out of the way while we did the rescue.

I also remember a country called Libya. I believe it took only a few airstrikes to totally destroy their airbase and deny their idiot leader the opportunity to attack us.

41 posted on 06/08/2002 1:37:16 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Freedom4US
I don't think the media even makes even a sporting attempt at objectivity anymore. Remember the mainstream "Who do you blame more, President Bush or the FBI?" No mention of the previous occupant of our most hallowed public housing.

I agree.

What puzzles me, is why the Republican Party doesn't sponsor more/any insightful polls and get them published in Wash Times, NY Post, etc... there are media outlets that would accept such polls as news. Maybe I've just missed them, but I don't see the Republican Party correcting the lib-dem-media polls that distort public perception.

Why isn't the Rep Party more aggressive on the defense/offense in these polls? It seems relatively easy (at least to me as an outsider)...if the existing opinion is already favorable and just being mis-polled and mis-reported, that seems easy to fix. Why isn't it?

42 posted on 06/08/2002 1:45:09 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: AAABEST
....Monica's official suckling duties.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaa ..

43 posted on 06/08/2002 1:47:27 PM PDT by varon
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To: Republic
"pointing fingers"

Yes they do, and this is their usual mantra - PROJECTION! Projection is where you accuse your enemy of doing something evil - while in actuality, you are the one doing the evil. The game is to neutralize your exposure - you can do this because while the public is looking at the faults of your enemy, you can look only partially culpable because you were doing it too. This tells people - all politicians are crooks. We know this isn't true, but the dems use this technique to cover their deeds as only "everybody's doing it", which somehow makes it seem less evil.

This technique has always worked for the dems/libs, but since 9-11, it's not working any more. Fortunately for us, the dems have not figured it out yet (and neither has the media). Let them continue to use this method - it will always come back to bite them.

44 posted on 06/08/2002 1:48:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Lexington Green
Let's see -- KLINTOON supported the MUSLIMS in BOSNIA even after he knew their UBL ties. There are so many places to start. KLINTOON never took the attack against the WTC in 1993 seriously, never declaring war against Al Queada. Janet Rhino preferred persecuting Christian children (especially if they could be returned to Castro) than doing anything politically incorrect such as going after MUSLIM terrorists in our midst, despite countless warnings during her watch. Only really stupid RATS like Leahy or Mrs. KLINTOON want to toy with the blame game for 9-11. But then there appear to be a plethora of really stupid RATS.
45 posted on 06/08/2002 2:14:53 PM PDT by jrlc
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To: scouse
Very interesting post. I'd forgotten Bonior existed! Very quiet for a guy who's runing for governor. Did he give up his house seat to run?
46 posted on 06/08/2002 2:17:12 PM PDT by windchime
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To: Carl/NewsMax
In a just world, Clintigula would be charged with and tried for treason, convicted, and given a one-way, non-refundable, no-meals, coach-class ticket to Hell.
47 posted on 06/08/2002 2:22:57 PM PDT by Map Kernow
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To: rwfromkansas
>>>It has come to light that Clinton had 3 chances where they SAW Bin Laden via spyplane and had the chance to take him out. Clinton turned it down.<<<

If you know the source of this I would love to know what/who it is. If verifiable, this would be great stuff with which to hit some liberals right between the eyes.

48 posted on 06/08/2002 2:29:16 PM PDT by HardStarboard
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To: Freedom4US
"When you get to decide the terms of the debate, then it is awfully easy to get the outcome you desire"

This is a great statement! And ... it's why the mainstream media hates conservative radio.

49 posted on 06/08/2002 2:32:28 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: Map Kernow
Clinton ultimately will arrive in an especially hot corner of Hell.... but, meanwhile, I could certainly take solace in seeing that criminal piece of excretum rotting in an isolated cell at Leavenworth.
50 posted on 06/08/2002 2:34:50 PM PDT by TheGrimReaper
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To: Starwind
Why isn't the Rep Party more aggressive on the defense/offense in these polls?

That's a question I've been asking myself for some while myself.

Possible answers I can think of:

None of these sounds very realistic, except perhaps #2. Which might in fact be a good strategy...provided you mix in the right amount of assertiveness. As Rummy does, for example. Or as Reagan did.

But it seems to me that most Republicans haven't got their mix right. So, whoever is going to be the next Ronald Reagan, please hurry up! We need you!

51 posted on 06/08/2002 2:40:07 PM PDT by Smile-n-Win
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To: Starwind
"but I don't see the Republican Party correcting the lib-dem-media polls that distort public perception"

And ... that is precisely why the repubs don't use them. Conservatives don't govern by what polls say because that's too much like "democracy", and we don't live in a democracy. The repubs don't use them to decide what they're going to do (at least most of them). Polls say - I don't know which way to go so you tell me what to do. As a leader, if you don't know what to do - then you have no right to be considered a leader.

52 posted on 06/08/2002 2:42:01 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: floriduh voter
NERO FIDDLED....CLINTON DIDDLED
53 posted on 06/08/2002 2:52:04 PM PDT by TJFLSTRAT
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Clinton Gets Blame for 9-11

--but will he take it?

54 posted on 06/08/2002 3:34:13 PM PDT by let freedom sing
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To: CyberAnt
I'm not sure I understood what you think should be done.

To clarify my point, I think Republicans should more forcefully use accurate polls, not to govern, but to inform the electorate of true level of conservative support and the reasonable intelligence of the average voter.

I talk with many friends in church who mistakenly think they are the only ones that have a 'conservative' view on something, they believe that the headlines and polls reflect the majority opinion. That 'nearly all red' map of where the country voted for Bush was a surprise to them.

My advocacy of aggressive accurate Republican counter-polling is to get the message out that in fact the lib-dem viewpoint is the minority.

55 posted on 06/08/2002 3:34:47 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: windchime
I think the little rat wants to be the Sheikh of Araby.
56 posted on 06/08/2002 3:37:36 PM PDT by scouse
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To: AngrySpud
A pretty worthless poll, in my opinion.

Exactly. Meaningless numbers that don't support the headline. The type of folks that voted for ClintonBlame in this poll reflect the tiny number of informed conservatives like you'll find right here. No coup in opinion, I'm sorry to say.

MM

57 posted on 06/08/2002 4:37:52 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: CyberAnt
(Clinton's was only 67%)

Don't forget this number plummeted within days after Bush took office, as Clinton's various pardon/White House trashing/etc scandals boiled over. His numbers fell through the floor and remain there to this day.

58 posted on 06/08/2002 4:46:24 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Starwind
I agree on one thing. The media is presenting a slanted view of the truth. Welcome to the real world. People have to understand there is truth out there if they are willing to find it. I don't listen to mainstream media. I listen to conservative talk radio. Inform your friends where they can go to hear the truth - FOX is a good choice. Also, there are a lot of good conservative talk radio programs.

I know you're talking about polls which more truthfully reflect reality - however, I don't think that is the answer. The reason is - once it becomes known where the polls originated, the bashing would begin again regarding the results of the polls. What is to be gained by that?

59 posted on 06/08/2002 4:48:18 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: HardStarboard
I will see what I can do.....I remember reading about it after 9-11 last year.....probably around November.
60 posted on 06/08/2002 5:06:05 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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