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Of course, this is just my opinion. I also think that there is a very real possibility that the First horse is already riding. Any of your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Ty
1 posted on 06/09/2002 4:43:49 AM PDT by Tycobb
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To: Tycobb
Maybe Mohammed was the Anti-Christ.
2 posted on 06/09/2002 4:55:08 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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To: Tycobb
Bill & Hillary Clinton isn't done yet...
9 posted on 06/09/2002 5:59:22 AM PDT by DB
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To: Tycobb
Make that "aren't done yet"... Add Hillary at the last second...
10 posted on 06/09/2002 6:06:56 AM PDT by DB
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To: Tycobb
Stalin seized the eastern half of Berlin because the Allies were stupid enough to let him have it - not because "chaos abounded."
13 posted on 06/09/2002 6:19:45 AM PDT by Basil Duke
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To: Tycobb
The 4 horsemen are Death, War, Famine and Pestilence.

Any further speculation is just another opinion.

Israel seems to be the place where it all ends... but its conflict will come about through lies and alliances.

There are many “Anti-Christs”. They only need a window at the right time and place.

All we can do is to flush them out... one by one.

18 posted on 06/09/2002 6:52:55 AM PDT by johnny7
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To: Tycobb
"Any of your thoughts on this would be appreciated"

I think this has been predicted just about every year for the past 2000.

20 posted on 06/09/2002 7:01:14 AM PDT by elfman2
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26 posted on 06/09/2002 7:42:55 AM PDT by WIMom
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To: Tycobb; Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; crystalk; Dallas; dighton; dennisw; sheik yerbouty; Light Speed
Compare the colors of the horses - white, red, black, green (pale = "chloros") - to:

Pan-Arab Colours

Arab Revolt Flag, Arab Liberation Flag

 

Origin of the Pan-Arab Colours

From the PASSIA home page:

Red
The Khawarij were the first Islamic group to emerge after the assassination of Caliph Uthman III, forming the first republican party in the early days of Islam. Their symbol was the red flag. Arab tribes who participated in the conquest of North Africa and Andalusia carried the red flag, which became the symbol of the Islamic rulers of Andalusia (756-1355).
In modern times, red symbolizes the Ashrafs [ie. Sharifians] of the Hijaz and the Hashemites, descendants of the Prophet.
Green: The Fatimid Dynasty (909-1171), North Africa
The Fatimid Dynasty was founded in Morocco by Abdullah Al-Mahdi, and went on rule all of North Africa. They took green as their color, to symbolize their allegiance to Ali, the Prophet's cousin, who was once wrapped in a green coverlet in place of the Prophet in order to thwart an assassination attempt.
White: The Umayyad Dynasty (661-750), Damascus
The Umayyads ruled for ninety years, taking white as their symbolic color as a reminder of the Prophet's first battle at Badr, and to distinguish themselves from the Abbasids, by using white, rather than black, as their color of mourning. Mu'awia Ibn Abi Sufian (661-750), founder of the Umayyad state, proclaimed himself Caliph of Jerusalem.
Black: The Prophet Mohammad (570-632)
In the seventh century, with the rise of Islam and subsequent liberation of Mecca, two flags - one white, one black - were carried. On the white flag was written, "There is no god but God (Allah) and Mohammad is the Prophet of God."
In pre-Islamic times, the black flag was a sign of revenge. It was the color of the headdress worn when leading troops into battle. Both black and white flags were placed in the mosque during Friday prayers.
The Abbasid Dynasty (750-1258), ruling from Baghdad, took black as a symbol of mourning for the assassination of relatives of the Prophet and in remembrance of the Battle of Karbala.

Quoted source: Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Evolution of the Arab Flag, Amman, February 1986


Arab Revolt Flag

From the PASSIA home page:

"Sharif Hussein designed the flag of the Arab Revolt on June 1916. The Palestinian people raised it as the flag of the Arab National movement in 1917. In 1947, the Arab Ba'ath Party interpreted the flag as a symbol of the liberation and unity of the Arab nation. The Palestinian people readopted the flag at the Palestinian conference in Gaza in 1948. The flag was recognized by the Arab League as the flag of the Palestinian people. It was further endorsed by the PLO, the representative of the Palestinians, at the Palestinian conference in Jerusalem in 1964."

Quoted source: Evolution of the Arab Flag, by Mahdi Abdul Hadi, Amman, Feb. 1986.

After the fall of Hejaz the colors were used by Husain's sons 'Abdulla (emir of the Transjordan) and Faisal (king of Iraq). Later on they became known as the Pan-Arab colors.

Harald Müller, 13 March 1996

The flag of Sharif Hussein of Hejaz, was a conscious union of the old Islamic dynasties, plus the red of Sharifian clan. The red also came to symbolise revolt against the Turks. Husain's 3 sons became kings of Jordan, Syria, and Iraq, hence the minor differentiations in the Sharifian flag. Hussein's original intent was for his flag to be identical in those 3 countries with the addition of one star for Jordan-Palestine, two stars for Iraq, and three stars for Syria. The Jordanian one is the only that has survived, and the Palestinians use the same flag without the star as a tie to their original territorial integrity. (Palestine and Transjordan were split in 1923 to clarify that a Jewish homeland did not apply to the latter.) In 1961 Kuwait switched from its red Gulf flag to a Sharifian variant.

T. F. Mills, April 1998

During World War I, Arabs in the Hejaz (the Red Sea coast of the Arabian peninsula) rose up against the Ottoman Sultan, with the help of the British, who were fighting the Ottomans at the time. The revolt was headed by the Hashemite dynasty of Mecca, and their banner was red, white, green, and red. Jordan is the last state left with a Hashemite ruling king, and thus its flag is closest to the original model. The colours are intended to correspond to the early Islamic dynasties of the first half of the middle ages; this is probably an "invented tradition," as the use of flags by such dynasties is anachronistic.

The Hashemite revolt was the Arab world's first embrace of European-style nationalism, but it was largely unsuccessful, mostly due to lack of Western support. The Arab-speaking areas of the old Ottoman empire were mostly divided up between France and England, though the British did install Hashemite princes as local rulers in the areas they controlled. Even in the Hejaz, the Hashemites were driven out by the Wahabi Saudi dynasty, which, then as now, was less concerned with Arab nationalism than in its doctrine of religious fundamentalism. Nevertheless the flag was remembered as associated with Arab nationalism, even if the Hashemite dynasty was not.

Joshua Fruhlinger, 11 January 1999

Source (you'll have to go here to access the above links):

http://www.fotw.net/flags/arabcols.html

Jordan:

http://www.fotw.net/flags/jo.html

"Palestine":

http://www.fotw.net/flags/ps.html

Also worth noting:

The flag of the Hejaz was designed by Sir Mark Sykes of the British Foreign Office for the Arab forces under the Sherif Hussein operating with Allenby in Palestine.

http://www.fotw.net/flags/hejaz.html

50 posted on 06/09/2002 9:15:50 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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2 comments - I've heard it said that "give us this day our daily bread" looks forward to your #3 - famine. And re your screenname, DYK about the story that Mr. Cobb was saved in the hospital, and said to a visitor "Tell people not to wait as long as I did!"? I hope it's true, I'd like to meet the cleaned-up Mr. Cobb.
53 posted on 06/09/2002 10:27:25 PM PDT by 185JHP
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To: Tycobb
As one who has been an avid studier of the Bible and History for 30+ years, been exposed to others that had studied it all their lives, and as one who has seen the "predicters of doom and gloom" pontificate that current events are foretold in Revelation for those same 30 years over and over with the end right around the corner(perhaps, eventually they will be right, but only the Father knows the day and hour.) I submit that anyone that looks to the book of Revelation as prophecy to us, is ignorant of the Bible, as well as of History, and may be following a false prophet already.

Interpreted properly, scripture doesn't have to be reinterpreted and re-reinterpreted year after year after year. It also doesn't contradict itself. If Revelation really was prophecy of current events, then what are we to do with the words of the Lord that say his return will be with out sign, and as a thief in the night?

No. To give a future tense to all of Revelation is folly, both Biblically and Historically, and the Lord told us as much when he said that it is a wicked and sinful generation that seeks signs from God.(seeking to know when to turn from their sins, in hopes of redemption.)

Revelation itself means to reveal, to warn, and it was a warning, but not to us. In Ch.1 V.4 John clearly states that the book is written to the seven Churches in Asia. In ch. 11, V.1-FF John is given a measuring rod and told to measure the Temple, but to exclude the outer court, because it has been given to the Gentiles. It's quite obvious that this is refering to the Temple that was destroyed in AD70, by Nero's soldiers.

This places the time period that Revelation was written to pre-AD70. History proves that Nero's Rome at that time was very hostile to Christians. Citizens were required to take an oath to Nero as their Lord, recieve a tattoo on their head or hand in order to buy, sell and reside in Rome or face torture and eventual death if they refused, and the policies were fast expanding to the rest of the Empire.(Sounds like an excellent candidate for the AC to me) This is also the reason Revelation is written in it's cryptic style. The seven Churches to whom it was penned understood it perfectly.(Nero and his ministers would have been clueless) For us to understand it's meanings takes the understanding that it wasn't written to us, but for us, and in depth study of Daniel and the other Apocalyptic(symbolic language) Books of the Old Testament.

Historical perspective helps as well, and while it is not inspired and infallible, as the scripture clearly is, early Roman historians were under penalty of death should they record something incorrectly. With those caveots always in mind, Flavious Josephus, Roman historian of the period, describes in the siege and fall of Jerusalem in AD67-70,(War of the Jews) that 1.1 million Jews perished with the uncounted remainder dispersed to the four corners of the Earth, sold into slavery for a pittance(The Dispora).

Many other elements of the siege and fall of Jerusalem, and Judea are contained within his writtings, but for the sake of brievety, I'll for go them here. You are however welcome to read them for yourself here- War of the Jews by Flavious Josephus

54 posted on 06/09/2002 10:55:13 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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Are you familiar with the PaRDeS system of Biblical interpretation? John and Revelation were written on the 'Sod' level. Have a look see...
Pardes Sod John Revelation

"He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assembilies. To him who overcomes I shall give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of Elohim."
Revelation 2:7

Gan Eden
Garden of Eden
Paradise
PaRDeS...

56 posted on 06/10/2002 10:47:19 AM PDT by Jeremiah Jr
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The first one should be "Wars and rumors of war"...given History it is difficult to narrow that down....but it definitely fits the world today.

The second one is translated Ethnos against Ethnos...

This means Ethnic groups against Ethnic Groups...another scenario that fits today...strongly.

The third....famine is a large part of what is going on in both China and East Asia as well as Africa.

The fourth.....Pestilence...is yet to manifest in the way I believe the Word is talking about...I believe it is sooner rather then later.

58 posted on 06/10/2002 6:56:02 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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The Four Horsemen area already here.

See http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/bizarre/bizarre.cfm?instanceid=18445

Reprinted here:

PARIS - A funny thing happened on the way to Doomsday - the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse got lost and had to ask for directions!

That is the wild story of a French police officer who claims that one of the fearsome riders trotted up to him on the roadside and sheepishly asked, "Do you know the way to Rome?"

"It was the one on a red horse, holding a broad-sword. I guess that must be the Second Horseman, the War guy," highway patrolman Michel Clenard told a Paris newspaper.

"I was totally taken aback. I mean, these guys are supposed to be determining the fate of all mankind - but they seem to have no Earthly idea where they're going. And I didn't know whether to point them in the right direction or send them on a wild goose chase."

According to prophecies in the Holy Bible, a warning sign that the end of the world is near will be the arrival of four mysterious horsemen, representing the major calamities that will plague man in the last days - war, famine, pestilence and death (Rev. 6:2-8).

The uncanny encounter took place 13 miles outside Paris on the highway from Dijon. Officer Clenard was assisting a female motorist whose auto had broken down on the side of the road, when he first spotted the hooded horsemen and their giant steeds.

"They had stopped on the other side of the road and they were arguing over their map about which way to go," said Officer Clenard. "I was concerned because cars were whizzing by really fast and the horses seemed like they were getting anxious."

Officer Clenard said eventually one of the horsemen was sent over to his patrol car.

"The guy seemed reluctant and when he got close enough for me to recognize him from illustrations in my Bible, I understood why," he said. "The guys are supposed to be these big, bad harbingers of doom - asking for help must have been humiliating."

Officer Clenard said the Second Horseman spoke in an antiquated form of French.

"I advised him to keep his sword sheathed and I gave him directions, but I'm not sure he got them right," the cop said. "When the riders took off, two of them headed the wrong way!" Published on: December 11, 2001

60 posted on 06/10/2002 7:03:09 PM PDT by Rodney King
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3. Famine -- Third Seal = World Economic Depression-- World war Three will bring the world to experience a economic crash. Millions will starve to death. Many will look to the AC for a supply of food.

(Rev 6:5-6) And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. {6} And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

This rider represents famine. What is famine? The lack of bread (food). What is the bread of life? The word of God. Can a famine cause a lack of the Word of God? Amos 8:11: "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:" This famine occurs in the end time (Amos 8:2&3). The famine of the end times, that is this time in Revelation, is the lack of the hearing of God's Word.

my opinion....

64 posted on 06/10/2002 9:01:20 PM PDT by Texas Yellow Rose
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bump
65 posted on 06/10/2002 9:31:27 PM PDT by niki
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To: Tycobb
Let them ride .....
66 posted on 06/10/2002 9:38:19 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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I see religion as rat poison 99 percent sweet cookie 1 percent arsenic,all Western Governments have advisors and soothsayers fully conversant with prophecy,people like Mr Hitler used the restoration of moral values and the defence of christianity as tools to suck in the masses.Britain and the Vatican would of been fully conversant what they were setting up in Israel.If something happens in the world its a manifestation of a decision made by a human.Are you really seeing these things from God or because 'all fear all the time' your being exposed a constant bombardment of programming that leads you in that direction,yes God is up to stuff and no hes probably not happy but I've ticked off up to Matthew 24:15 let alone 24:6 with the pathetic human fulfilment of prophecy with Arafat in conjunction with the Vatican(if one takes the Balfour Declaration the true start of modern Israel the planting of the tree then 'this generation' in my country is dead the last Gallipoli veteran passed away last week.

In all honesty Im not a first century jew,I don't have the Original Aramaic version(in fact the church won't let you see most of the Dead Sea Scrolls)im not privy to the symbolism or mindset of the time and so I cant comment other than the only thing being fulfilled is a further perpetuation of fear by vexing oneself with such studies which would be what those who want you to think,'this is it' would want.

70 posted on 06/11/2002 3:37:25 PM PDT by Governor StrangeReno
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To: Tycobb
I have an opinion about the rapture. I'm not a Revelation expert. It's one of the few books of the Bible that I have not read. I don't understand it, and I don't think I need to.

With that said, I do have one idea about the Rapture. I just keep on wondering if there is a nuclear war, and that is what the rapture is.

So we get a nuclear war that destroys our country and a bunch of other "Christian" countries. The remaining parts of the earth have to figure out who they are for.

Just one of my thoughts.

75 posted on 06/11/2002 7:58:29 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: Tycobb
Sounds good. Personally, I think we are in the first half of the tribulation now. Midtrib will hit about 2003.5 . With Armagedon about 2007. Why these dates? Well to keep it short, if the clock starts when the Jews regained Jerusalem (1967), with a 40 year generation, that puts you at about 2007. The two main things that need to happen soon are (1) Israel needs to be living securely, (2) Temple rebuilt.

I may be crazy.....but I like it that way :)
76 posted on 06/11/2002 8:01:14 PM PDT by drq
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