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What you can learn from drunken monkeys (serious science)
Discover Magazine ^ | July, 2002 | Meredith F. Small

Posted on 06/09/2002 3:05:49 PM PDT by FairWitness

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Fairly long, but interesting. Note: I have given a link to the Discover web site, but they are always about a month behind in putting stuff up. This article is from the current July issue and I typed it in by hand. You can buy the magazine, or wait a month to see if I typed it right.

Serotonin supplement anyone? I am not advocating this supplement, and in fact didn't know it existed until I finished typing the article and thought of doing a Google search.

1 posted on 06/09/2002 3:05:50 PM PDT by FairWitness
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To: FairWitness
Recent more-or-less related threads:

Monkey Cocaine Study Sheds Light on Drug Addiction

Low Rank Monkeys More Prone To Cocaine Addiction

Quest for 'alcohol gene' sets monkeys on binge

Researcher finds link between alcohol intake and wealth

Teens Drink Quarter of All Alcohol Consumed in U.S.

Stanton Peele's Approach

2 posted on 06/09/2002 3:15:38 PM PDT by FairWitness
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So... Does this explain Chelsea?
3 posted on 06/09/2002 3:17:17 PM PDT by DWSUWF
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I was thinking more along the lines of "does this explain Bill". The article is about alcoholism, but could as well be about other addictions, including "addiction to lying and living dangerously".
4 posted on 06/09/2002 3:20:47 PM PDT by FairWitness
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Jubal would not like that.
5 posted on 06/09/2002 3:26:20 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Jubal would not like that.

Maybe I'm just slow today, but that one went over my head.

6 posted on 06/09/2002 3:30:12 PM PDT by FairWitness
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Jubal Harshaw, Anne. Sheesh!
7 posted on 06/09/2002 3:42:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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O.K. now I get it. That is the second time I have failed to remember that as a "FairWitness" I am supposed to remember Stranger in a Strange Land by heart.
8 posted on 06/09/2002 3:53:00 PM PDT by FairWitness
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"What you can learn from drunken monkeys"?

Obviously, this study was begun to answer the question: "What do we do with a drunken sailor?"

But then again, maybe it was started by a drunken sailor.

9 posted on 06/09/2002 3:54:34 PM PDT by Washington_minuteman
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""What do we do with a drunken sailor?""

LOL

10 posted on 06/09/2002 4:56:53 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: FairWitness
Good post, and you had to type too. Thanks.

There may be a biological 'cause'. An alcohol buzz may feel better to me than to my neighbor.

Also, an environmental cause: the feeling of liberation must be stronger for some of us. (Social inhibitions might be stronger in Iowa than California.)

I have conquered my 'alcoholism', now that I'm 40. This is no thread to get mystic, but I am a Christian now and I think prayer has saved me. Three years ago I got on the wagon and went back to school. I never believed I could stick to it and have discipline. Daily Christian prayer certainly helped.

11 posted on 06/09/2002 5:03:39 PM PDT by withteeth
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Well said. Good for you and God Bless.
12 posted on 06/09/2002 5:07:38 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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What you can learn from drunken monkeys

That Ted Kennedy shouldn't have a driver's license.

13 posted on 06/09/2002 5:59:06 PM PDT by IronJack
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From someone who has had a LOT of alcoholics around, thank you for posting this (and typing it in my hand--WOW!). This is very interesting.
14 posted on 06/09/2002 6:19:16 PM PDT by WillaJohns
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Why do we constantly hear that alcohol addiction is a disease, but we never hear the same excuse for addiction to nicotine?
15 posted on 06/09/2002 6:20:50 PM PDT by csmusaret
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Three years ago I got on the wagon and went back to school. I never believed I could stick to it and have discipline. Daily Christian prayer certainly helped.

Well done. May your prayers continue to be answered. Your post is relevant to the following part of the article:

Psychologist Stanton Peele suggests that we may have carried that model too far. < snip > Peele argues that no one has conclusively shown that there is a biological basis to alcoholism or any other addiction. Instead, Peele believes that personal and social expectations torque biological tendencies to such a degree that any study seeking to identify genetic underpinnings is suspect.

Look at what people do, he suggests. Not everyone who is anxious or impulsive is a problem drinker, and many people who are hard-core alcoholics stop drinking without treatment.

There is data to back up that view. In 1992 the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism interviewed 4,542 adults who at some time in their lives had been alcohol dependent according to diagnostic criteria used by the American Psychiatric Association. At the time of the study, 28 percent were still heavy drinkers, but 22 percent had given up alcohol and 50% drank I moderation. Therefore, roughly three-quarters of these people would no longer be considered alcoholics. Interestingly, those who were treated for alcohol abuse didn’t fare any better on average than those who had no treatment.

”Natural remission is overwhelming in its importance,” Peele says. “And yet it is systematically ignored by researchers.” If alcoholism is a disease, how can so many people cure themselves?

16 posted on 06/09/2002 6:55:31 PM PDT by FairWitness
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Why do we constantly hear that alcohol addiction is a disease, but we never hear the same excuse for addiction to nicotine?

Good question. Maybe it would be harder to demonize? I wonder if anyone has done any genetics studies on heritability of smoking. Anybody know? The one thing I do know that might be relevant is that something like 10-15 percent of people who smoke (so-called "chippers") can quit with no meaningful side effects or heroic efforts. This suggests some kind of biochemical, and therefore probably genetic, involvement in nicotine addiction.

17 posted on 06/09/2002 7:04:22 PM PDT by FairWitness
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18 posted on 06/09/2002 7:31:23 PM PDT by Djarum
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Read this about 5-HTP 5-HTP

My doctor recently took me off Serzone because of bulletins about liver damage. My serotonin levels have been affected by having children and growing older...The worst problem for me was lack of restorative sleep, which Serzone helped. Melatonin just gave me nightmares, but 5-HTP has helped a LOT and it is not an expensive prescription drug. I'm a firm believer in essential amino acids and their influence on moods and behavior.

19 posted on 06/09/2002 7:47:40 PM PDT by lsee
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bump for later
20 posted on 06/09/2002 8:13:45 PM PDT by quietolong
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