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To: lawdog
He's right. Anyone with half a brain who thinks about it for a second will realize that there is no global conspiracy afoot to destroy America or take our precious rights. True, there are individuals and groups who have similar aims which are quite socialistic in nature, however they are not organized, nor have they infiltrated government or any of the other hogwash that the bible reading new world order wack jobs think is going on.
18 posted on 06/10/2002 1:53:09 PM PDT by Exnihilo
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To: Exnihilo
Know anybody in the State Department ? What is the "third way" ? Have you ever read any of the above references ? What is "global governance" about ? What is the UN positon on "arms control" ? Who pays the money that the IMF gives away ? What is your "tax money" paying for ? etc. etc.
19 posted on 06/10/2002 2:01:49 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Exnihilo
... from Here is one optimist's reason for believing unity will prevail over disunity,” Talbott writes of himself regarding world government. "Nationhood as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. A phrase briefly fashionable in the mid-20th century --citizen of the world"--will have assumed real meaning by the end of the " Talbott's view, and the Clinton Administration's as well, is that all countries are really nothing more than social arrangements. "No matter how permanent and even sacred they may seem at any one time,” he further asserts, "in fact they are all artificial and temporary. Through the ages there has been an overall trend toward larger units claiming sovereignty." When it almost appears that Talbott is openly advocating world government, he does not leave the reader disappointed. "It has taken the events in our own wondrous and terrible century to clinch the case for world government,” he writes unabashedly, using the very term most globalists have been trained to avoid like the plague itself.

Here's a sample of a globalsit in the U.S. government-specifically Srtobe Talbot U.S. State Department.There is plenty more of them where he came from.

20 posted on 06/10/2002 2:20:16 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Exnihilo
oops "globalist" and it's "Strobe Talbot".
21 posted on 06/10/2002 2:30:07 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Exnihilo
Re: "there are individuals and groups who have similar aims which are quite socialistic in nature, however they are not organized, nor have they infiltrated government "

Really? I suggest you do a web search on the Venona de-crypts and Alger Hiss before you make such sweeping, and false, assertions.

How would you know this? Have you evidence that debunks every single conspiracy theory? You know, it only takes one of them to be right for the country to be in peril. I'll admit that the creation or transmission of bogus conspiracy theories does reduce the signal to noise ratio of good intelligence. Attenuating or scattering real signals does the same thing (as when our watchdog press fails to cover evidence of treasonous behavior by our public servants). Just because you don't see any signal in the static doesn't mean that more discerning or sensitive observors can't deduce intelligible, if obscure, patterns at times.

One of the problems with having intelligence "radar" turned up to high gain is that you get a high false signal rate. Our government security apparatus ignores high falsing rates as an acceptable side effect when using such tools as polygraphs and PSEs to predict or detect espionage during interogations. It's funny how the government always finds and accuses total dumbsh*ts of conspiracies and the sheeple believe it and they make it stick (Viper Militia anyone?). But any hint of our servant's malfeasance and we just whistle past the graveyard. Conspiracies are seen as a one-way, bottom-up effect, and the government is always seen as too incompetent to achieve such intricate intrigue. A good circus always employs clowns to entertain and distract.

A sure fire way to get some adaptive system to abandon an alarm/alert mode (or increase the detection threshold or response dead band resulting in a narrower event horizon)is to create the appearance of multiple false alarms. After Y2K and the billions spent on hyping it, your skepticism is predictable. We are being conditioned to condition white.

Distract and over-stimulate any organic system and the results are predictable. I'm not saying this is a deliberate governement conspiracy, because I have no direct evidence of that. It could be that this is just a good way to keep people buying jellybeans and cellular minutes. But where there are nice fat flocks, wolves are never very far away. You can recognize them by their teeth.

I look at all the conspiracy theorists out there as sort of a collective organic political SETI project. If they find just one conspiracy that's real, maybe someone will recognize it and make some good of their knowledge. Unfortunately it usually takes a good designer to recognize a good design.

24 posted on 06/10/2002 3:05:02 PM PDT by LibTeeth
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