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To: NormsRevenge
This is why the War Powers Act is such a sore spot for so many.

The War Powers Act is unconstitutional as it rearranges the constitutionally designated method in which the different branches of government can wage war. Mainly, it allows the executive to declare and wage war independent of the legislature.

For such a radical redesign of government to be legitimate, it would have to have been passed as a constitutional amendment. It was not. Mere legislation is inferior to constitutional directives. Once upon a time, conservatives knew that.

50 posted on 06/14/2002 11:20:51 AM PDT by freeeee
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To: freeeee
Mere legislation is inferior to constitutional directives. Once upon a time, conservatives knew that.

Doesn't the Constitution allow the Supreme Court to make that determination?

52 posted on 06/14/2002 11:23:09 AM PDT by SunStar
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To: freeeee
For such a radical redesign of government to be legitimate, it would have to have been passed as a constitutional amendment. It was not. Mere legislation is inferior to constitutional directives. Once upon a time, conservatives knew that.

The Constitution says whatever the judges say it says today. It could say something else tomorrow. And unless you are the 9 supreme court justices what you say it says isn 't worth a warm pitcher of spit.

The Supreme court in Marbury Vs Madison said the constituion says what the justices say it says. And they can determine what it says in any old penumbra they care to look under.

The president of the United States can do anything the people will support including puting american citizens in concentration camps in WWII or suspending Habeas Corpus as Lincoln did in the civil war.

WE have not been a Constitutional Republic for 198 years. Not since Marbury Vs Madison. We are a Democracy overseen by Judical Fiat.

That power grab occured when the Democracy Advocates took over this Nation in 1800. It was a Contstitutional Republic in 1800 but it didn't last out the Jefferson(first Democrats) term. Democracy Advocates had the house, senate, Presidency and Supreme court in their control.

The Democracy Advocates (Democrats) converted us into the Democracy we have been ever since.

What part of a Democracy tempered by Judical Fiat don't you understand!


65 posted on 06/14/2002 11:36:51 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: freeeee
[Once upon a time, conservatives knew that]

Conservatives still know it. The people we're arguing with here are neoconservatives which is a cool-sounding term they invented to hide the obvious fact that they are a gang of mewling socialists. Anyone who tries to call himself a conservative while defending the unconstitutional actions of politicians is no more a conservative than Hillary Clinton is.

These imbeciles actually think they are mounting devastatingly logical arguments when in fact they are simply regurgitating what George Will and the other socialist pissants on TV have said. I'm a little tired of having these clowns running around pretending to be the only true conservatives. They're destroying the image of conservatism.

210 posted on 06/15/2002 4:28:09 AM PDT by Twodees
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