[RedWing9]

(2) If a teacher was around, why didn't the teacher break up this fight, before the student had injuries so severe he had to get stitches?

I have to take great exception to your question here. It seems obvious you've never seen a bare fist fight, nor been in one. A hard bare fist to the eyebrow area can, and usually will, cause a deep gash. This can take all of .7 seconds to occur. In other words, the teacher would have had no chance even if he/she was in the front of the same room.

[summer]

Re your post #18, quoting from my post #1:

(2) If a teacher was around, why didn't the teacher break up this fight, before the student had injuries so severe he had to get stitches?

And, your reply:

I have to take great exception to your question here. It seems obvious you've never seen a bare fist fight, nor been in one. A hard bare fist to the eyebrow area can, and usually will, cause a deep gash. This can take all of .7 seconds to occur. In other words, the teacher would have had no chance even if he/she was in the front of the same room.

I very much appreciate the point you make here, Redwing9. I actually wrote the question just to anticipate the question being asked by a poster.

And, actually, yes, I have seen that kind of fight -- in fact, as a teacher (a first year teacher, no less), and I made the mitake of stopping such a fight -- and, was disciplined by the school administrators for doing so.

The black kid who beat the cr*p out of another kid never was punished in any way whatsoever.

Oh, hbut mom did suddenly find time to come to the school and threaten repeatedly to sue me.

And, the teachers union yawned when I asked for help.

I tell you this not to demean your comment in any way, as you make a very valid point -- it all happens very quickly. But, I saw it happen when it did occur in my classroom.

According to the school, the correct repsonse on my part was not to "touch" the student's shoulder and pull him off of the student he was beating the cr*p out of, but, rather, to use the phone and call administration.

The facts I metioned -- that the school had no principal at that time, and the classroom had no phone, were facts that were deemed irrelevant.

Somehow, I was to wiggle my nose and a principal would magically appear. The teachers union agreed with the school administration -- and, with the black single mom who thought I had a million bucks because I was required to wear a dress and stockings everyday to this low income school, and, therefore, was worthy of a potential law$uit.

True story.