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Good-Bye Cruel Free Republic
6-16-02 | wasfree

Posted on 06/16/2002 5:32:24 AM PDT by magnum opus dejure

Well, it's been 4 years since I first found Free Republic. I have always felt like I belonged here and have really enjoyed the banter back and forth between us members. I am afraid all this is now over. I am really suprised and shocked at it's suddenness. Before I leave I want to thank a freeper from Michigan who sent me a DVD player last year to give to my kids for Christmas. You reaffirmed my faith in humanity.

I know this thread will be deleted before many people get to read it, but I just can't go without saying a final word. Every since 911 the 'vibe' here at FR has been decidedly hostile. I guess it was a matter of time before the newbie moderator got around to weeding me out for my sometimes unpopular views. So I join the ranks of A+Bert and so many others who gave FR a interesting flavor. I will miss coming here 20 times a day and keeping up on things. But without posting priviledges there is just no point. I must go find another conservative group to try to be a part of.

In the future, when a freeper who has been a loyal member since August 1998 crosses the line, how about a note instead of banning? Would that have been too much? I may have gotten out of line, how is beyond me, but if such a tresspass would have been pointed out I would gladly have refrained from doing so again. It is just not right to just ban an account with no explaination. Especially when the freeper has been here 4 years. I have no idea what I am going to do with my days now that I no longer have FR. Well, I guess I have said my part. It is a sad day when one has to leave family and friends. I feel like some of you were just that. But apparently I am no longer wanted around here. I bid my good day to you all and hope that karma pays it's respects to those who do injustice.


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To: Angelique
Who is this "magnum opus dejure" guy,and what does he have to do with this thread?
1,081 posted on 06/16/2002 10:34:47 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
Well it seems like things have calmed down some. I think emotion is behind the drive to stick it to Jihad Johnny. I haven't seen such a hated dude in a long time. I been called a few names over him. Padilla seems a different breed of cat though. Same with Mousey. Hate to see us be cruel, though. We can hang 'em in a civilized fashion. parsy.
1,082 posted on 06/16/2002 10:35:18 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: Texasforever
Actually, Jefferson did indeed ask for a declaration however it was Hamilton that made the case that there was no reason to declare war when that war had already been declared on us. That is what won the debate and the Congress only issued a joint resolution to allow the CIC to assume war time powers.

Now that makes a lot of sense to me. I told some liberal who was worried about whether or not we had declared war that I would have my lawyer contact Mr Bin Laden's lawyer...and since these guys (AlQaeda) have targeted all of us I suggest a class action suit...

1,083 posted on 06/16/2002 10:36:20 PM PDT by woofie
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To: sneakypete
Because damn near everybody is operating on emotion,not logic.

I try not to waste too much time responding to those types.

1,084 posted on 06/16/2002 10:36:31 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: habs4ever
Thank you. (Were you being serious? I am sleepy and disoriented. Sleep deprivation will do that to you.) parsy the yawning.
1,085 posted on 06/16/2002 10:36:59 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Well, Padilla would sure fall under it.

I haven't seen any case where he even seems to go beyond his congressional mandate.

I actually think it's a little too broad an authority:
"all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons,"
that "aided or harbored" part could could be applied to any one or nation who had almost anything to do with al Queda.
But that's better than not enough authority- which is what I had expected out of the congress.

1,086 posted on 06/16/2002 10:37:27 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Texasforever
Respectfully, Hamilton's idea was NOT accepted, imho.

If a "state of war existed WITHOUT Congress' affirmation", why did President Jefferson have to get their permission to prosecute the War?

If a State of War already exists, the President is already Commander-in-Chief. So the fact of a distinct Congressional Affirmation of War militates against this Hamiltonian interpretation.

All of which said... Formal "War" has its virtues.

You clean up the "detainees-POWs" question.
You have the potential to clean up the "Traitor-Combatant" question (though I still have not an answer to this question).

Black-and-White is good. This "gray area" stuff is not friendly to Strict Constitutionalism.

1,087 posted on 06/16/2002 10:38:00 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: woofie
BINGO!
1,088 posted on 06/16/2002 10:38:33 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Victor
Sometimes it's hard to pinpoint just what you did. I was banned a couple of years ago for a reason I could never really ascertain. JimRob's note simply said "vulgarity and racism." I argued my case in an e-mail and was promptly reinstated. JimRob explained that he'd been getting quite a few disrupters at the time, and I was thrown out with the bathwater. No trouble ever since--except being called a "rump ranger" by some twit who was himself banned.
1,089 posted on 06/16/2002 10:38:35 PM PDT by Bob Quixote
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with everyone I usually disagree with, and vice-versa.

I need my head checked, or you people do.

1,090 posted on 06/16/2002 10:41:57 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Roscoe
That post didn't "clear up" anything at all. 1079 posted on 6/16/02 10:34 PM Pacific by Roscoe

Hiding behind typos?

1,091 posted on 06/16/2002 10:41:58 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
The question was, did Congress declare war. You said yes. I asked you if you would concede the point if I showed that there was no DOW. You said you would listen. I fulfilled my burden to you, do you now concede the point?
1,092 posted on 06/16/2002 10:42:00 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: AM2000
A few nights ago, Alan Keyes was ranting about poor ol' Padilla.. and he kept talking about how Padilla's gonna just disappear down some hole and never be heard from again.. .. if this was done Lat-Am shtyle, he would have just "disappeared," period.

Exactly. We would not be posting here probably either. I know if I was in charge of a police state, I would put myself in prison for what I've written on Free Republic.

1,093 posted on 06/16/2002 10:42:38 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: habs4ever
Where is it that corners have been cut?

I'm not sure they have been cut.Some people are saying they have,and some people are saying they haven't. We all need to watch and make sure they aren't,or that corrections are made if they were. I know he was held for a period of maybe 30 days without anybody knowing,but that COULD have been legal considering the circumstances. I'm not a lawyer and I don't know for sure either way.

Has Padilla received the due process he is entitled to as a enemy combatant? or, do you deny the Feds the right to call him that?

This is a little confusing,but I think they are holding him as a traitor who was ALSO a enemy combatant. Judging from what has been reported,I agree with this. He is both,and if found guilty,there should be a tree or a firing squad in his future. As a enemy combatant he would qualify for release after the "war" is declared ended,but as a traitor he doesn't get this consideration. It should be the death of him.

1,094 posted on 06/16/2002 10:43:43 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: restornu
Why are all of you folks posting when no one is here? over a 1000 post weird! I a sure this weirdo is back on Free Republic under another name until he gets out of line again

Oh, there's still a lot of us out here. I'm just seeing where the terrorist apologists are going with today's spin. They've almost convinced me that we should give Jihad Jonny and "ol' what's his name this week" Padilla a medal and pension, probably give them a one time award of, say, 5 million dollars for their confinement. BUT notice I said "almost" not "convinced" me.

I'm sure wasfree is already back on, lurking for now, but registered.

Oh well, it's bed time. C U'all tomorrow. zip

1,095 posted on 06/16/2002 10:44:56 PM PDT by zip
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To: LarryLied
LOL. I would then take over and promptly execute myself.
1,096 posted on 06/16/2002 10:44:58 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Roscoe
So the thousands of innocent American civilians he slaughtered in the sneak attack don't matter?

WHERE did I ever say this? You made the whole thing up. Admit it.

1,097 posted on 06/16/2002 10:45:19 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Bob Quixote
Im a bit afraid to ask but what exactly is a "rump ranger" ?
1,098 posted on 06/16/2002 10:46:57 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Howlin
Say, now that you bring up the gangs, wasn't this last guy a gansta?

Yes,he was. Chances are he was a member of the big Chicago gang named the "something"(Gangster?) Disciples. They have even had members on the Chicago PD. Mostly black and spanish-speakers,and a LOT of jailhouse conversions to Islam.

1,100 posted on 06/16/2002 10:48:44 PM PDT by sneakypete
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