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It is a really excellent article and gives us an insight into the minds of the Lemmings that call themselves "Democrats".
1 posted on 06/16/2002 3:34:49 PM PDT by vannrox
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sadly devolving ever downwards into a distorted,
contrived and contorted notion of freedom of expression.

It may be contrived, but it certainly remains
undistorted freedom of expression, pure
and simple.  Whether or not it is art, is another
matter altogether.  Let's not blur the issue by
insinuating the creator of the work somehow
does not have the right to create it.

2 posted on 06/16/2002 3:49:51 PM PDT by gcruse
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Their point seems to be to elevate to legitimacy that which has removed all standards and prior defining characteristics of art. In other words, by defining non-art as art, the logical conclusion is that art is non-art. Modern artists are told that they must create something totally original. Nothing about what they do can ever have been done before in any way shape or form, otherwise they risk being called "derivative".

It's utter arrogance to suggest that these self-absorbed dilettantes have somehow advanced beyond the masters who preceded them. It's a paradox that they stand on the shoulders of giants, and still can't see beyond their own rectums. They can't be "derivative" because they flatout lack the talent. So to compensate, they denigrate the achievments of their betters, discard them as antiquated, and anoint themselves as the arbiters of taste.

And the sad thing is, the so-called Art Establishment plays along with the charade.

Ironically, by forcing "artists" into a rigid eschewal of form, modernism effectively enslaves artists to THAT school of thought. How "original" is it to do the same thing that a thousand other no-talent hacks are doing?

3 posted on 06/16/2002 3:50:41 PM PDT by IronJack
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whatever they damn well wanted

It is possible that this is the popular interpretation of modernism. I'm sure that many artists would vehemently disagree with modernism structured around anything so unprincipled--as many as there are others who aspire by doing whatever they want. But modernism is not a distinct school when defined by a ubiquitous empty willfulness. It has features and characteristics. One of these, which Ortega Y Gasset explains, is the private tendency of art. It is aristocratic, clubby, purposefully separate and purposefully abstract and shielded from knowledgeable penetration by the masses. When the popular mind aspires and pretends membership, only so many can see the humor in that.

4 posted on 06/16/2002 3:51:04 PM PDT by cornelis
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This seems a bit broad brush to me. Have you not seen abstract art that you thought worthy, or non abstract art that was painted in recent times? Granted much of it seems to be junk and hype, but then it takes times to cull the wheat from the chaff. Modern classical music is on a considerable upswing by the way.
6 posted on 06/16/2002 4:02:48 PM PDT by Torie
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20th century "modern art" is the by-product of a gay-controlled contingent of urinary/fecal fetishizers...

No doubt at the Googenheim in New York City right now, patrons are surely advised by signs not to bother flushing the toilet -- it's effluent has already been coveted by thousands of excited "collectors" who require veerrry "modern" art.

7 posted on 06/16/2002 4:04:15 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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Such a great site. artrenewal.org
9 posted on 06/16/2002 4:11:00 PM PDT by fineright
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Communist Goals (1963)

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

Full text here.

10 posted on 06/16/2002 4:22:15 PM PDT by handk
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It's extremely important to note that painting went abstract just as photography was becoming popular. The reason for this is obvious: representational art had become nearly obsolete.

Why would a wealthy benefactor pay a small fortune to a painter when he could get a more accurate, less expensive and far more "high-tech" photograph? Why would a rich adventurer bring a painter when he could commision a photographer?

If painting didn't evolve into abstaction or fantasy, it would have vanished as a relevant art form.

12 posted on 06/16/2002 5:18:28 PM PDT by inkling
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Like Drill Sargeant Hartman said to Pvt.Pyle"You're about as ugly as a modern art masterpiece!"
17 posted on 06/16/2002 6:55:16 PM PDT by Uncle Meat
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Minimalism.

That will be $4 million dollars, please.

18 posted on 06/16/2002 7:17:41 PM PDT by lds23
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Vannrox: It is a really excellent article and gives us an insight into the minds of the Lemmings that call themselves "Democrats".
Democrats are responsible for running up prices for fraudulent art? What about the heartbreak of psoriasis? One suspects you might see mountebanks and hucksters on both sides of the political spectrum in the art world.
--Raoul
19 posted on 06/16/2002 7:21:10 PM PDT by RDangerfield
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There is an excellent new movement in the art world called "Photorealism", creating paintings that look as if they were captured with a camera, but with interpretations of the light and shadow that only a painter can do. It's really something, and a definite finger in the eye of the "modern art" (more like "Moron art") world. I really like the work I've seen from the photorealistic art world, and I'm hoping to see a whole lot more in the future.
21 posted on 06/16/2002 10:03:01 PM PDT by Billy_bob_bob
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Isn't it a requirement in these modern times that a display incorporate feces, urine or perhaps semen in order to be considered art. As in "Hello Monica, that blue dress you're wearing tonight is simply a piece of art!"

All art is sh&t ... literally as well as figuratively.

25 posted on 06/17/2002 4:12:39 AM PDT by The Duke
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During the 4 years I wasted earning a "Bachelors Degree" in Art, I spent one semester in an independent study of oil painting.

Instead of working hard to fulfill the course requirement, I drank beer and played Rugby.

Not wanting to show up empty handed at the critical review period,
I covered a canvas with various shades of green and palet knife in hand,
scrawled 3 vived red vertical forms in the vicinity of the middle.

This "painting" was received as a work of "ingenious sensibility",
it was at that point I realized that the piece of paper they handed me from this Liberal Arts College was utterly worthless.

31 posted on 06/17/2002 6:57:58 AM PDT by MassExodus
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Derivative is a good way to describe certain "copyists" of approaches used by others. In the broad sense of the term it seems that most American painters of the twentieth century have all been derivative in some way of those that came before whether it be the impressionists, the cubists or even the serious abstractionists. This latter term should be used to describe all art replaced by photography as all painting is abstract.

American Modernism does have a unique vein in a few of the proponents. One could cite Edward Hopper, Georgia O'Keeffe and above all Maynard Dixon as painters attempting and succeeding in being unique and modern in their approach. In the case of Dixon, he was accused as being a western painter and compared to a couple of illustrators of the west. In reality he is a modernist painter in the west that has gradually emerged through several forms of a modern approach, namely tonalism, pointalism, impressionism and finally cubist realism. By 1930 he achieved his own powerful style, simplistic yet powerful compositions that have a strong message for the viewer about the western landscape.

Modernism does not mean abstraction in the strictest sense, however, real artists and not copyists can make a strong statement without answering to the academics. Remember, those who can't paint, teach.

37 posted on 06/17/2002 8:50:22 AM PDT by Utah Binger
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"Modern Art" finally exposed to be the fraud that it is!

Like a broken clock, even Adolph Hitler occassionally said some rational things...

1. Tax the churches (OK, I only believe in having churches cough up enough for to
make reasonable contribution to the area they are located in)

2. "Show me a man who paints the sky green, and I'll show you someone who should be shot."
(But I guess I'd probably have been in trouble, because as much as I laugh at a lot
of "modern art", I do dig Magrites (sp?) skewed version of existence.)
39 posted on 06/17/2002 8:56:14 AM PDT by VOA
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I worked as a security guard at the Walker Art museum in Minneapolis for 3 years, which had about 7 galleries of modern art. Once they had an Alexander Calder exhibit (mobiles and circus miniatures), which nearly everyone enjoyed, even the kids.

The rest was crap. 90% of the people who made the effort to go to this museum made comments like "my kid could do this" or "this is stupid" or "I don't get it". I looked at the exhibits for 3 years, read the literature, discussed it with art students - and I came to the conclusion "my kid could do this", "this is stupid" and "I don't get it". Modern art is suited for a very very very small audience and the pretentious.

41 posted on 06/17/2002 10:07:54 AM PDT by kidd
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I just looked at www.artrenewal.org A very nice site.
54 posted on 06/23/2002 4:24:18 PM PDT by cornelis
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FYI


55 posted on 04/14/2007 7:01:09 PM PDT by cornelis
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I have a simple rule to define what is art, and what is not.

If I can do it, it is not art.


60 posted on 04/14/2007 7:49:14 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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