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Israel begins its West Bank 'Berlin Wall'
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 06/17/2002 | Alan Philps

Posted on 06/16/2002 5:21:53 PM PDT by Pokey78

Israel began work yesterday on the first stage of a 200-mile fence designed to stop Palestinians bombers and gunmen entering from the West Bank.

 
The West Bank fence

The construction work was greeted with almost messianic fervour by many Israelis who believe it will end the series of 70 suicide bombings that have taken place over the past 20 months.

"Without this fence there is no chance of peace. The fence will provide us with the security that will enable us to go back to negotiations when this phase of violence is over," said Danny Attar, head of Gilboa regional council in northern Israel, which is close to the Palestinian town of Jenin, source of many suicide bombings.

Mr Attar, who has long been lobbying for the fence, compared it to the Berlin Wall, but said it would not last as long, being required only until peace is established. "In 10 years we will break it down," he said. "I want to do it with my own hands."

While the Left in Israeli politics sees the construction as a shield against attack, the Palestinians, as well as the Israeli far Right and the settlers, see it as more ominous, though for very different reasons.

It was described by Palestinian spokesmen as entrenching South African-style apartheid.

Alhough the exact line of the fence is not clear, it will be built on Palestinian land, requiring the confiscation of hundreds of acres.

"This fence will be a fence of hate. The 'whites' will be in Tel Aviv and the 'blacks' will be in the West Bank," said Mohammed Dahlan, a retired Palestinian security chief.

Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, has long delayed building the fence because of fears shared with the settler movement - of which he was for years a patron - that it will come to be seen as Israel's eastern border.

The fence will leave tens of thousands of Israeli settlers in the West Bank on the wrong side, raising fears that their dream of annexing the Palestinian territories to Israel is being compromised.

Israel has spent decades trying to rub out the memory of its old eastern border, which Israeli troops crossed in the 1967 Six-Day War, when they conquered all the land up to the Jordan.

A fierce argument erupted during yesterday's cabinet meeting, with Effie Eitam, leader of the National Religious Party, the settlers' lobby, saying: "The meaning of this fence is a return to the 1967 borders, and the establishment of a national boundary."

Mr Sharon was denounced by Right-wingers as "defeatist". They said Israel had always taken offensive action into the homes of its enemies, rather than cowering behind a fence. Mr Sharon agreed to hold a special cabinet session on Wednesday to discuss where the fence will run.

The first stage of 75 miles, sealing off the Palestinian towns of Jenin, Qalqiliya and Tulkarm, will cost about £80 million.

During a visit to the construction site yesterday at Salem, 10 miles from Jenin, the Israeli defence minister, Benjamin Ben-Eliezer, said the fence had no political meaning as a boundary, but was just a temporary security measure.

To placate the ideologues of Greater Israel - the idea that God gave the Jews all the land between the Jordan and the Mediterranean - the fence is formally known as a "continuous obstacle."

Not even the defence minister believes that the fence will stop all infiltrations. From a military point of view it is questionable since the army still has to guard the West Bank settlements.


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; isreal
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1 posted on 06/16/2002 5:21:53 PM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Heck, even I could penetrate that poor excuse for a fence. In any event, it is about time.
2 posted on 06/16/2002 5:23:35 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
I used to live in Guantanamo. That fence gave both sides a little sense of security.
3 posted on 06/16/2002 5:36:43 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: Pokey78
What BOGUS healine! The Berlin wall was meant to keep the population of a country and and city from getting out. I thought these lefties wanted a Pale state? States have borders between them.

It is about time the Israelis recognized that those people living there are the enemy and foreign to Israel and treat them as aliens. They can not come bomb Israel if Israel establishes a border between them. That would also defacto give the Pale's a state and then IF they continue to attack Israel, Israel is within its rights to go take out the government, ie Arafat!

5 posted on 06/16/2002 5:38:39 PM PDT by JLS
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To: JLS
oops make that headline.
6 posted on 06/16/2002 5:39:07 PM PDT by JLS
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To: patrioticduty
I think it was just an inane shot of a fence found someplace.
7 posted on 06/16/2002 5:44:54 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Pokey78
Many objectionable phrases in this left-slanting article. However, when it comes to "messianic fervor," a term intended to discredit the proponents of the protective fence, that term would better be applied to the incredible self - delusionary Oslo "peace process," which in spite of all the evidence to the contrary from the very first day, was believed by the Israeli and Jewish left to be about to usher in a millenial state of peace.
8 posted on 06/16/2002 5:45:52 PM PDT by thucydides
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To: Pokey78
The "Berlin Wall"??? Excuse me?

Since when is building a wall to protect your population from the influx of maniacs who attack and murder them almost daily.... the moral equivalent to the Berlin Wall which was built for the purpose of imprisoning an entire population and preventing them from seeking freedom?

The moral confusion of the British press is amazing.

9 posted on 06/16/2002 5:46:25 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: patrioticduty; Torie
I don't think that is the fence, but rather the location where a fence will be. From the green paint, I suppose this is the old "green line" which marked part of the 1967 borders.
10 posted on 06/16/2002 5:52:12 PM PDT by thucydides
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To: Torie
I suspect that's the current "fence" which a real security fence is going to replace. I'm sure it'll look more like the border fence between Israel and Lebanon, which is very high-tech.
11 posted on 06/16/2002 5:57:44 PM PDT by LadyAustin
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To: Torie
You are the biggest fence proponent on FR. I don't think that green picket fence in the picture is the actual fence. That wouldn't make any sense.
12 posted on 06/16/2002 5:59:54 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
No. I was joking.
13 posted on 06/16/2002 6:00:32 PM PDT by Torie
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To: gitmo
I used to live in Guantanamo. That fence gave both sides a little sense of security.

I'm sure the mine field gave you boys a little more sense of security!

14 posted on 06/16/2002 6:02:08 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Jorge
Since when is building a wall to protect your population

In your territory or someone else's?

15 posted on 06/16/2002 6:04:33 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Torie
I can't really figure out where the left is coming from. Why the anger at a fence? Obviously the fence is meant as some sort of defensive measure. It may end up being a permanent border, and it may work to defuse the tension.

Why imply that it's a prison for Palestinians? If the Israelis and Palestinians came to a peace deal tomorrow, there would surely be a border. Why is one side of the border considered "a prison"? It's asinine, and typical of the disatisfaction of the left and the Arabists. Nothing is ever good enough for them.

The comparison between the "whites" and the "blacks" is also asinine and incredibly insulting not only to whites and blacks, but to themselves (brown?). They can make what they can make of their semi-state. So far they have chosen to make nothing of it, except to fight for that nothingness. If they think they are "the blacks" (whatever that means), then it's their own damn fault for following a regime of terror and incitement and doing next to nothing to improve their lot in life.

16 posted on 06/16/2002 6:09:29 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Askel5
It's disputed territory according to the Israelis, and according to many Palestinians it's all theirs, including Israel itself. There is no place to build that fence without upsetting someone. It seems somewhat generous that Israel isn't slicing out every inch they possibly can, choosing to not protect certain settlements. It seems likely to me that this fence will end up being the border. I can't see how it's not going to be considered a defacto unilateral withdrawal. If they spun it right, the Palestinians can call it a victory, but it's obvious they won't.
17 posted on 06/16/2002 6:13:08 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
Force of habit I suspect. Yes, it is ALL nonsense. The fence is the only route to a compassionate defense by Israel of itself. It really is a moral imperative, and to not build it, and continue on the other road, indefensible and immoral. I would enjoy watching a talk show where the usual suspects started bashing the fence. In fact, I would like to participate in such a talk show. :)
18 posted on 06/16/2002 6:13:37 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Askel5
What is the fun of building a fence if you don't do all you can to annoy the neighbors? Of course you put it a little over the line. If you don't ask you don't get and you can always take less.
19 posted on 06/16/2002 6:14:33 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Pokey78
It was described by Palestinian spokesmen as entrenching South African-style apartheid.

As opposed to the vision of a Palestinian state, which embodies Judenrein, Jew-free National socialism.

20 posted on 06/16/2002 6:15:02 PM PDT by Alouette
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