[Illbay]

Okay, so vote these guys out of office and vote for Hillary! or Tom Daschle. They'll make things right for you like Democrats ALWAYS try to do. Take the civl war era, for instance. Until the taking of Atlanta, Lincoln was a shoe-in for defeat because "everyone knew" the people were gonna vote for the Dems who would then turn around and "negotiate peace" with the rebels.

The voters spoke differently, though, which put the kabosh on all the same sort of sentiments you're expressing.

We are going to have to live with "less liberty" for awhile--whatever that means. Personally, none of this stuff is affecting me, and it won't affect any of YOU either. You just can't get out of the habit of bashing the government over everything--even when it's doing the job it's constitutionally SUPPOSED to be doing.

[Moby Grape]

Well said (your post #32)...The problem with these guys is the OVERKILL Chicken Little Sky is Falling rants...It is reasonable to express concerns, it is NOT reasonable to suggest we are living in a police state.

[NittanyLion]

NL: In what figures to be a permanent state of "heightened alert", are you in favor of suspension of civil liberties?

IB: Okay, so vote these guys out of office and vote for Hillary! or Tom Daschle. They'll make things right for you like Democrats ALWAYS try to do. [snip] You just can't get out of the habit of bashing the government over everything--even when it's doing the job it's constitutionally SUPPOSED to be doing.

Hmmm...is that a "yes"? I'm unsure, since you resorted to personal attacks instead of simply answering the original question.

[mhking]

We are going to have to live with "less liberty" for awhile--whatever that means.

Remember that statement when Hillary or Daschle or some other Dem is in charge and says "Round up all the usual suspects." You or I, nor anyone else for that matter, will be able to say a damned thing when they pick us up as part of "the usual suspects."

Why? Because the precedent has been set. As a result of Padilla's case, the Feds can round up anyone they please, anytime they want, and hold them incognito for as long as they want -- just because the President or some "unnamed source" says that we are suspect.

Welcome to the future.