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Israeli consul denied seat on U.S. flight because he was a 'security risk'
Israel Insider ^ | 7/14/2002 | Israel Insider

Posted on 07/14/2002 6:46:48 AM PDT by Israel Insider

Israel's consul general in New York, Alon Pinkas, was denied a seat on a National Airlines flight from San Francisco when the plane's pilot screamed at security personnel, "I don't care what you do, he will not get onto my plane." The pilot said that Pinkas's presence would endanger all the other passengers on the flight.

The incident occurred Thursday night, Yediot Aharonot reported, shortly after Pinkas had completed public relations work in San Francisco. He was due to return to New York on the National Airlines flight. Upon his arrival at the airport, security officials informed the pilot that the Israeli consul would be getting on board the flight, and the pilot responded that he would not fly the plane if there was an Israeli diplomat aboard.

According to media reports, the pilot nearly had a temper tantrum in the airport terminal as he argued with police officers who demanded that he let Pinkas board the plane. The manager of National Airlines' San Francisco office threatened the pilot that if the press reported on the incident, the pilot would lose his job.

The pilot apparently broke down in tears, and was said to be close to a nervous breakdown. Pinkas saw what was happening, and asked to be booked on a different flight. In the end, he returned to New York on Continental Airlines.

"It appears to be the case of one stupid guy and not a systemic problem," Pinkas said.

San Francisco Police registered an official complaint against the pilot, and the United States State Department is investigating the incident. Sources at Israel's Foreign Ministry said that they would file a complaint with National Airlines, asking that the pilot be disciplined.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; middleeast; security; terror
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To: dighton; 2sheep; Jeremiah Jr; Crazymonarch
Israeli consul denied seat on U.S. flight because he was a 'security risk'

Perhaps the issue isn't racism, but rather airline security (or complete lack thereof). IOW, I suspect this pilot didn't fear the Israeli, but the Muslim(s) who could have certainly got on board to take down the plane, due to this high profile Jewish passenger.

Maybe the pilot is about to have a nervous breakdown, because he sees major security lapses all day every day, and if afraid it's just a matter of time before Allah punches a ticket on one of his flights.

61 posted on 07/14/2002 9:02:48 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: browardchad
when's the last time we've heard of an Arab denied flight due to his ethnicity?

this has already occurred on more than one US flight-cannot remember specifics

Shall we segregate flights by race?

when and if times get tougher, per the media, etc.-i think we're at that point since 9/11-profiling incorporating physical characteristics, along w/others will be needed/used.

62 posted on 07/14/2002 9:03:21 AM PDT by 1234
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To: Israel Insider
Hmm. Let me see if I understand. The 911 hijackers were all mo-slimes and arabs. There have been widely publicized instances of mo-slime and arab organizations calling for more terrorism. However, airlines cannot and do not profile them, and cannot and will not refuse to transport them.

However, a consul for Israel is not permitted to take a seat.

It is not just the pilot who is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. A society that countenances such behavior has clearly gone over the edge into stark, raving insanity. One cannot help wondering if the national anthem shouldn't be changed to "They're coming to take me away."

63 posted on 07/14/2002 9:04:39 AM PDT by neutrino
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To: wheezer; Demidog
I'd like to hear the pilot's side

Lol. I do believe you two are holding out for a statement from CAIR.

64 posted on 07/14/2002 9:09:04 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: browardchad; Yehuda; 2sheep
If the judgement of this pilot is defended, where do we draw the line? Will it be premissable for Jews in general to be denied boarding, due to security risk?

...One final point: when's the last time we've heard of an Arab denied flight due to his ethnicity?

I'm wondering if these kinds of consequences are really unintended.

65 posted on 07/14/2002 9:10:11 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Israel Insider
Well, here's another airline I've crossed off my list.

If only El Al flew more domestic routes...

66 posted on 07/14/2002 9:11:39 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: First_Salute
Absent higher-ranking airline authority, the pilot's decision is final

Is a Station Manager higher-ranking?

Other thread

67 posted on 07/14/2002 9:15:46 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Squantos
After an "exciting arrival" at Colorado Springs a few years back, I waited for the passengers to de-plane; then I went to the cockpit to inquire of the co-pilot, "Do these things still have a needle, ball, and airspeed indicator?"

"Uh yeah, over here ... "

And then the conversation led to "Where are you from and how is it that fate has not yet intervened to save mankind from your exploits?" kind of things.

The co-pilot was a Vietnam War, DC-3 vet. There ensued a pleasant conversation.

The landing at Cincinnati was good, other than having walked away from it.

69 posted on 07/14/2002 9:19:38 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Alouette
I sappose you wrote this biased remark because "real" men don't cry??? Or did you just forget to put in a < /sarcasm> tag?
70 posted on 07/14/2002 9:21:59 AM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: Yehuda
Waiting for someone to disinvite Jews to a Freep: "too dangerous..."

I thought LarryLied/"Voegelin" had been trying that angle for years?

71 posted on 07/14/2002 9:22:10 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Cachelot
I do believe you two are holding out for a statement from CAIR.

Maybe the Israeli diplomat's characterization of the events is as exaggerated and emotionaly dishonest as your characterization of my comments?

What I said was that I'd like to hear the pilot's version of the events.

What exactly, is your problem with that?
72 posted on 07/14/2002 9:24:45 AM PDT by wheezer
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To: wheezer
Maybe the Israeli diplomat's characterization of the events is as exaggerated and emotionaly dishonest

What an odd claim - "emotionally dishonest". No, I really do think that you're waiting for something like one of those fatwas that CAIR pops out in their need to meddle in American affairs. Like over that Secret Service agent that was automagically suddenly represented by CAIR.

As for "emotionally dishonest", I don't think I've ever hidden the fact that I loathe you and your fellow-travelling jihad sympathizers. Not that I tend to become overly emotional about it, of course ;).

73 posted on 07/14/2002 9:32:50 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: wheezer
Although it looks like the pilot used bad judgment, it's still his judgment that reigns in the end, if the airlines don't agree with their own pilot, and side with the Israeli, then this means they also must question his judgment? (which I am not defending), but I keep thinking at this point, If they do not agree or value their own pilots judgment about a passenger, then how can they be comfortable about any of the other "judgments" he will be making as their pilot, and why are they allowing someone they have not much faith in to remain flying for their company?

But I do agree, I would love to hear the pilots side of the story first.

74 posted on 07/14/2002 9:34:49 AM PDT by KineticKitty
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To: Cachelot
The station manager can advise; the police officers have no lawful say whatsoever in this matter.

The station manager might, in this scenario, call down there to ____ and ask the dispatcher to halt operations of the aircraft; and please get an OK to replace the pilot; and then ... after a typically long wait, the flight proceeds when a replacement pilot is found.

However, the pilot is right, he's the boss on board the aircraft.

75 posted on 07/14/2002 9:36:29 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: First_Salute
The station manager might, in this scenario, call down there to ____ and ask the dispatcher to halt operations

That's more or less what I thought. But in any case, the passenger seem to have gone to another airline pretty fast when things got messy.

Bet National is on a certain "do not use" list from now on, though.

76 posted on 07/14/2002 9:43:56 AM PDT by Cachelot
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To: Demidog
Let me guess. You didn't find it on Hoffman-info, so it can't be true?

LOL!

77 posted on 07/14/2002 9:46:44 AM PDT by Lent
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To: SouthernFreebird
That flight would be safer with the Israeli Cousul flyng the plane! The pilot was about to have a nervous breakdown? How long has this been going on? Maybe the public should insist on former Militay Pilots on all domestic flights.
78 posted on 07/14/2002 9:46:52 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Dales
Very good! National Airlines flies between majoy cities and Las Vegas only.
79 posted on 07/14/2002 9:50:22 AM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: Israel Insider
"The pilot said that Pinkas's presence would endanger all the other passengers on the flight."

If any of this is true, then this pilot needs to be addressed. This is irrational behavior on part of any pilot. Again the human factor plays a critical role in threat potential.

80 posted on 07/14/2002 9:51:31 AM PDT by habaes corpussel
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