'Sawgrass Rebellion' launched: Henry Lamb argues people come first in America

Your #51 was very interesting. I live near the Glades and see this kind of stupidity all the time. The Park Service and The Army Corps of Engineers are not only bad for the people, they're bad for the animals and the environment.

No, I will not ping my FL lists. Every post I have made has been a complaint about Henry Lamb, so I do not know why you think I would want to help. I have suggested that people contact Gov. Bush about this matter, so that he could work on behalf of the concern of people, but that suggestion was ignored. Good luck.

Also, as I have said before, I believe Henry Lamb has the facts wrong about the Everglades; he never mentions the water that will result for FL from this restoration; he ignores the benefits such as expanded water; and he is inciting a lot of hate in an election year.

In addition, I believe there are times the govt has the right to take over land, and this is one of those times. He does not agree with me. That's OK. I do not agree with him.

I think a better solution is to help the people relocate within the counties, as the land values are soaring within the counties nearby, and the just compensation may not be enough to purchase a new home in the community. And, since Gov. Bush is friends with developers, I think he could be instrumental in helping these people remain in the community, if that was their goal. The Everglades Restoration project - a join federal and state project, to provide water to SW FL - is not going away anytime soon.

join = joint

If you can get the convoy through WV, be sure to contact Jay Wolfe, a Freeper who is running against Rockefeller for Senate. He could be tremendous help in gathering politicians who are running against the status quo. WV has a group who is fighting to preserve their homes on the New River. Check out the threads on that if you haven't.

Thanks for the post, will also send to friends in Maine and New York that are also under fire from enviro whacko's! Also will post any further info as I get it. This will be an awesome event!!!

bump!

Joe, Thanks for the flag. See my posts #62 and #63. I think it is interesting that Henry Lamb now admits, here in this article, for the very first time I have seen, that "water" is something people need -- and, yet, he has not yet connected the Everglades Restoration with the benefit to result from it, namely, more water:

The Everglades are not likely to ever be the same after these caravans and the people they carry assemble in South Florida. The needs of people will have to be considered as the highest priority in every Everglades project, whether providing flood protection, or providing adequate water supplies.These needs will have to be met first,

So, now, he is saying what -- that because the state and federal govt are in fact putting the water needs first, the people who will lose their property as a result should protest the very decision Lamb now agrees with?

I think AAABEST and others out in that area have a legitimate gripe if they focus on the additional loss of their property rights in terms of remaining part of the county community, as I do not see how just compensation will provide enough money for them to relocate. If that is their concern, I wish they would organize and write to Gov. Bush and let him know they are in fear of losing their right to be part of the community, along with the potential loss of livlihoods, because the forced relocation may cause them to relocate right out of the county due to skyrocketing land values everywhere except in their area. And, I bet Gov. Bush would try to help these people retain their property of belonging to the community and their jobs, by cutting some sort of deal with developers who control the surrounding land, so these people get some kind of break. Do I know for certain this is what Gov. Bush would do? No. Do I think he would consider trying to help these people stay in their community, since they may not otherwise be able to afford to do so, following the just compensation? Absolutely. His email address is: jeb@jeb.org

cc: JohnHuang2; countrydummy

...and, yet, he has not yet = ...but, he has not yet...

Summer, why don't you refer to post #49! Tell this person how superior your thoughts are to those of Henry Lamb! I am refering to your #68 post.....

working on it now! have posted to Jay W! Ping him again! lol lol

countrydummy, on the last thread about this, I believe you said you would ask Henry Lamb to write an essay explaining why we don't need water. What happened to his essay? Now, in this essay from him, I see he has taken a brand new position on the issue -- and, he now agrees with me (and with others who claim humans need water, including Gov. Bush, and with GW). Yes, humans need water says Henry Lamb now. Very interesting.... yet, he still wants to protest - why is that? My thoughts are not "superior" to anyone else's -- but why Henry Lamb wants to protest the very solution he suddenly now supports is a real mystery. Sounds to me like he is seeking media attention. True, my suggested solution does not provide Henry Lamb with any media attention; it only seeks to provide a possible way to a solution to those people who I suspect may be forced out of their community. It's like apples (Henry Lamb's protest of the very thing he now supports - water) and oranges (my suggestion that people should get Gov. Bush to be their ally for their concerns about being forced not only out of their homes, but out of their community), countrydummy. They are just different ways of seeing this issue. Am I right? I guess not, since no one yet has said, "Yes, I am worried about the potential loss of remaining in this community, and I think I will ask the most powerful person in this state to get on my side." If they would rather protest, that's their decision. But, it's not the way I would proceed in this particular matter, since Gov. Bush is known to have a line of communition with developers.

communition = communication

In addition, I believe there are times the govt has the right to take over land, and this is one of those times.

Can you take me off of your ping list? Thanks in advance.

I don't have you on a ping list. You're welcome in advance.

Correction - you were on a FL list. I took your name off. ANd, BTW, if you actually think the govt never has the legal right to take land, then you desperately need a lawyer, and fast. I am sorry my previous suggestions to you fell on deaf ears and you concluded having the FL gov on your side would not be beneficial to you. Good luck with giving Henry Lamb all the media attention he so desperately seeks.

AAABEST, I did not ping you on a ping list, as per your request, but I do have something to say to you, after thinking about this more. I am very surprised that you refuse to acknowledge the incredible U-TURN taken by Henry Lamb in this most recent article. Last week he featured an environmentalist touting the same line as other articles: "There's no benefit in the Everglades Restoration!" Then, countrydummy said Henry Lamb would address my concern about the need for water, in light of the drought conditions FL has previously suffered. And, now, amazingly -- we have Henry Lamb switching sides, saying, "Oh yes, we do need water -- but, we still need to protest."

It seems to me Henry Lamb is far more concerned about public opinion being on his side than you are. He seems to recognize that people like me will conclude he is nothing but a wacko if he just keeps spouting the incorrect line that there is no benefits to the Everglades Restoration, no matter how many wacko experts he can find to agree with hm. His U-TURN in this articles tells me I am right in my belief he wants media attention -- AND public opinion on his side.

But, what about you? Do you and all the other affected landlowners really believe you could make a case if public opinion is against you? I think you are wrong. You can make a case and win if public opinion is on your side. Sometimes in these matters of land rights the public does side with those who claim the taking of private property by the government is NOT justified. But, if you ask the community in SW FL "Is this taking of land justified?" and the other side of the coin is that the community needs the water, well, then, you are obviously on the losing side here.

My suggestion to you was not to drop your concerns, but to focus your concerns -- if your concern happens to be that you are not only losing your land, but your place in this community, then, I think you could potentially have overwhelming public support on this issue. But, this is a different issue than your claim that "The govt is always wrong in taking land." People who need the water will not agree with you on that. However, people who do not want to see you ripped out of the community may well agree there is no right of the govt to also take this property from you, in light of skyrocketing land values surrounding you.

On the other hand, I could be dead wrong -- and the rest of the county may say you folks out in Golden Gates were idiots to buy swamp land in the first place. I don't know what they will say. Yet, I would think you would at least take note of Henry Lamb's U-TURN here -- suddenly, he is all for water restoration which is exactly the purpose of the Everglades. His current call to arms therefor makes no sense, because all it does is keep him in the news.

You and others perhaps need to evaluate what is really at stake for you in this matter -- if it is that you will be shut out of the community, maybe you should make that your case; otherwise, no one will care and no one will miss you when you're gone, because you missed the chance to make the complaint that would have won you real public support. And, I notice Henry Lamb does not make that complaint on your behalf. I did: you should not be tossed out of the community. That is a real concern and consists of property rights not currently being taken into account by the government, and the government should take this into account, IMO. And, don't worry, I won't bother writing to you about this again, because I sense what I am saying is again falling on deaf ears. But, public opinion does count. You can blow it off if you want, but Henry Lamb doesn't.

that there is no benefits = there are no benefits

summer, I have his response, and I debated posting it as he gave me free will to do so, but your posts show that you make no real sense, that you are still "falling for anything"....so I decided that your arguements fit into the category of "disrupter" and therefore, need no response, other than to distinguish you as such!

With that said, I still believe you believe what you think, and I will never try and take your belief's away from you.....but please consider that we all love our lands more than anyone on the face of the earth could ever love them! We have learned that some of what we thought was ok and have therefore rectified those thoughts, so to speak, if you will.... yet, landowners, especially small landowners, are the very best stewards of the lands and government influence only begets confusion and thus destruction! No! The federal government was never meant to have any control over the land of which the people own! No one in their right minds would do anything to harm another, and as land owners we are learning to not do so, yet and again, give the people what they need, and they will always rectify the situation as it needs to be, give the government control and it all goes to Hell in a hand basket!

People in New York urban communities have no right to dare decide what I do with my "40 acres"! It has been my families blood and sweat and tears and hardships that allow for them to live where they do as it is, we are the working class of America and the providers,.....none of us will let WV go up in smoke becasue of a bunch of idiots that wish for a "re-naturalization" of the American continent....we had alot less trees when Columbus arrived than we do now!

Summer, there is so much to the issues involved here! I so respect your views, but in my opinion, you are not seeing the forest for the trees!

If you have a response from Henry Lamb, please do post it. It is remarkable to me that this current article from him does a 180 U-TURN on the water issue and the purpose of the Everglades.

Last week he said there was NO purpose to the Everglades, but this newest article says there IS a purpose. My pointing out his waffle dance is being "a disruptor"? I don't think so. He is out for big time heeadlines in an election year, and is using people like AAANBEST to get the media attention.

Meanwhile, I remain truly sympathetic to problems I see for people like AAABEST, including the problem of being unable to afford to relocate nearby. But, AAABEST sounds like he has a tough time listening, and doesn't care about this problem of losing any chance to remain in the community (if that is what he fears), nor about public opinion. He just wants to protest the govt is always wrong. OK, go ahead. See how many deaf ears that argument falls on in this community, which has already experienced drought and wants the water (as even Henry Lamb now agrees is important).