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To: Black Agnes
Where I live now was all mangrove swamp originally. I too live on land fill in Fort Lauderdale. It was filled in the 1940's and developed about that time also. The east coast of Florida from Miami to Palm Beach has been over developed over the years.

I'm not sure what you want me to say. Do I think the government is going to displace every home owner in inhabited areas of Dade and Broward County? No, I don't. Do I think developers who are eating up the Everglades may be targeted? Yes, I do. And why does it make you so angry to think of a Prestine Everglades again. Are you angry at the Indians living on a Hillock in the Glades? The Seminole owned millions of acres of the Everglades and the Chief ( a woman) sold a million acres to the state in the last 30 years, and used the money to educate the children of the tribe. They still live on land they own in the Everglades.
What is your problem? Until the sale of that land the Seminole were still formally at war with the government, a peace treaty never having been signed.

Why does it anger anybody to see the everglades cleaned up?
Or, do you just not know what you are talking about other than Hate Gov't. rants.
65 posted on 07/31/2002 2:36:08 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts
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To: wingnuts'nbolts; countrydummy; sauropod; Grampa Dave; Jeff Head; madfly; farmfriend
Oh naieve one, the 'goal' isn't cleaning up the everglades, that's only the pretense to take that land out of production/development and thereby make remaining land more valuable. It will also (with other moves being made around the country against farming areas in particular) make the people in general more dependent on foreign sources of food (joy, just like OPEC, only now, with food!) which is what the huge corporate supporters of the Wildlands project (which this is a part of) want. Far from hating the Indians that used to own ALL of florida, I am angry that the government would take the land from them, then take it from the current owners all in the name of 'manifest destiny', or 'environment' or whatever the phrase-du-jour is. Theft is theft. I am 1/8 Choctaw and 1/16 Cherokee (probably more, only proveable 1/16). I would certainly love to see these historic wrongs righted. BTW, a researcher (can't find the link just now) that has studied how the natives managed this land has discovered that *flooding* it wasn't it! This is just a make work project for the COE.

ADM and ConAgra are dancing with joy that this whole environmental movement is driving the small us farmer even more toward the margins and their profits on the importation of food stuffs from other countries will skyrocket! You are what is called a 'useful idiot'. I was one too with the environmental movement at one time too. Then I realized the people behind this movement for the past 30+ years are the communists and malthusians, both of whom think little or nothing of the individual and in the case of the communists, want complete control of the sheeple. When the Sierra Club posts on their website they think the *ideal* population density is 500 people/acre you *have* to wonder what drugs these people are on. (that's more dense than the black hole of Calcutta FWIW).

Go to ruralcleansing.com for more stories to realize this isn't *just* about the water supply in Florida and restoring a bit of nature.

Check these urls too

Plan to restore Everglades could displace Hundreds (or thousands) Sounds like it isn't 'developers' getting displaced, but orchards and farms...HMMMM,lookie at the supporters, Sierra Club (Dave Foreman of Earth First reknown on the board of directors BTW, Dave thinks mankind and technology are all evil)

Everglades restoration 250,000 acres...Gee, here they say it's 250,000 acres of productive farmland, doesn't sound like suburbs waiting to happen either. Also offers a bit of criticism on the overall plan (probably won't work, never been tried before, probably cheaper to get the water some other way but that wouldn't fulfill the wildlands project of all this land out of comission, would it?

Everglades plan contested by EcologistsGee, not everybody approves (and not just those who are being looted...Think there might be 'motives' for this not including nature restoration? maybe??)

10 Oil wells in Everglades consistent producersHmmm, maybe there *is* a motive for land grabs? ya think?

Permits issued to Mine in EvergladesGee, doesn't sound very eco friendly to ME, and lookie who's in charge of the permits. Sounds kind of counter to 'restoration' and 'water quality' doesn't it? Kind of like once Elk Hills was in fed land it only took a stroke of old bill's pen at the behest of Al to see it sold to Occidental. What is done in the name of the environment today to limit private ownership of lands (and the mineral rights underneath said land) is usually looted in the future by a greedy government for personal profit or benefit

Bush Brothers Agree, Ecosystem comes firstGee, ol jebby wouldn't be in on all this land speculation would he?

Comissioners take final look at rural fringe growth planGee, Jebby signs this one taking land away from *more* people? This isn't the everglades project. What's it like living in a 'sending area' or a 'receiving area'. These terms are *straight* from Agenda 21 (UN plan for control of all resources, lots of info on this on the net)...do YOU live in a sending area? Seems like this made the developers land on the city outskirts worth a heckuva lot more (since the developments there would presumably always have a view of greenery) at the expense of the peasants in the countryside. But then (and I can find the quote) summer said yesterday that jeb has a direct line with the developers...guess it paid off for them bigtime!

BTW, countrydummy's land (been in her family for almost 200 years, has original land patent from James Madison FWIW) has been condemned for a 'viewshed'. Seems they applied for funds to improve the very potholed road, funds were approved and *then* they were told the price of said improvement was their land was now in a 'viewshed' and their road was now a 'scenic route'. Seems the elites don't want to look at the humble abodes of peasants when they drive down this scenic route (which beforehand was only a potholed country road in WV).

66 posted on 07/31/2002 3:33:19 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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