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'I had no idea that madness in the Islamic world had gone so far' - Naipaul
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Posted on 08/09/2002 7:19:21 AM PDT by BlackIce

'I had no idea that madness in the Islamic world had gone so far' By Andrew Robinson

The news came on the phone: “The Nobel Prize for Literature for 2001 is awarded to the British writer, born in Trinidad, V. S. Naipaul.” When, last October, the call from Stockholm came to his house in Wiltshire, Sir Vidia Naipaul pretended to be busy in the garden. In fact, he had taken to his bed. The award was a shock — he had long assumed his work was unpalatable to the academic world, and there had been no prior hint of the honour. His immediate reaction, he tells me, was one of “extreme exhaustion”. “One needs time to think about everything. So I went and lay down.” Later, he issued a statement that the award was “a great tribute to both England, my home, and to India, home of my ancestors”. He made no mention at all of Trinidad — as people were quick to note — despite the fact that Naipaul was brought up there until the age of 18 and that Trinidad is the setting for his early books, including his most moving work, A House for Mr Biswas, which had established him as a leading young novelist by the early 1960s. Naipaul is unrepentant. India, from which his Hindu grandfather sailed to Trinidad in the late 19th century, was the subject of three substantial books spread over three decades. Unlike Trinidad, India remains a key influence and concern.

“A billion people and a little island, which has done almost nothing for me . . . We mentioned in the citation that I was born in Trinidad. I thought it was enough.” As for being “British”, Naipaul (who was knighted in 1990) says: “I could not have done this writing in any other country. To that extent, I am a British writer. I’ve been supported by this country in many ways.”

Although seasoned Naipaul watchers are used to his complaints of exhaustion, right now he really does seem fatigued. “I’m sleeping about 14 hours a day. I’m like a cat: immense sleep,” he admits. As a writer acutely aware of the passing of time — he prints the precise period in which he composed a book on the final page — he sounds melancholy about turning 70 this month. “On my 60th birthday, I was working, I was very much a working man. I’m not working now. For the first time in my life, I’m consciously doing nothing. I’m dormant, not agitating my mind in any way. Since my schooldays I’ve always been wound up, and thinking of doing the next thing and the next thing, then with this writing career getting started, the next book and the next book and the next book . . . Now I examine myself and feel that I’ve done the work really. I’ve got rid of the idea of writing about my first marriage. That has been with me for a long time, and I tried to face it and I couldn’t face it. If I do another book, it might be some kind of book about England, where I’ve spent so long. That’s stuff within me that hasn’t been expressed. But I would need to arrive at a narrative, and I don’t know how one does that, how it comes to one.”

Nobelled or not, Naipaul’s is a wide-ranging and original oeuvre, some two dozen books in all, that should satisfy any writer. And it is a genuine tribute to its readability that all of his books remain in print, unlike the works of some Nobel laureates. Indeed, his new publisher, Picador, is reissuing everything, including much of the uncollected journalism, with new covers. As Naipaul himself, ever alert to publishing realities, observes, the prize means “a good strong second wind”.

There are the novels and stories of the Caribbean, chiefly comic, such as The Mystic Masseur, Miguel Street, A Flag on the Island (including that deadpan classic, The Night Watchman’s Occurrence Book) and of course A House for Mr Biswas, based on Naipaul’s father, a struggling journalist. There are the dark, violent novels about Africa, In a Free State and A Bend in the River. And there are the narratives which connect continents, the intricate The Enigma of Arrival and A Way in the World, with clearautobiographical elements, and Half a Life, published just before the Nobel award. Then there is the non-fiction: travel books of a particularly penetrating kind, which describe, report and analyse with formidable intelligence the post-colonial societies of the Caribbean, India, the Islamic world, West Africa, South America and the American South. The most read are probably An Area of Darkness, about India, and Among the Believers, about Islam — both of which provoked a furious reaction from the societies they criticised. Taken together, Naipaul’s fiction and non-fiction unite “perceptive narrative and incorruptible scrutiny in works that compel us to see the presence of suppressed histories”, as the Nobel judges remarked.

While that is true, as is the claim made on both sides of the Atlantic that Naipaul is the greatest living writer of English prose, also true is that for many serious readers Naipaul is still only a name. “I’m sure he’s very good, but I don’t feel he’s for me,” a friend of Diana Athill, Naipaul’s first editor, told her. In Stet, Athill’s memoir of working with Vidia, she perceptively identifies three reasons: readers’ lack of interest in the consequences of imperialism; the writer’s lack of interest in writing about women; and, after Mr Biswas, the books’ relative lack of pleasure in life. “They impress, but they do not charm.”

“People are nervous of me, you know. I don’t know why,” says Naipaul with the slight chuckle which indicates irony, and is part of his charm for admirers. He is referring to a recent visit to India as the star guest at a government-sponsored writers’ congress. “I got myself into a couple of scrapes. But it seemed to be all right in the end. You see, I can be provoked when people set out to provoke me. I’m not philosophical enough to walk away.”

It is well known that he has little time for the Indian writing in English that has boomed since the 1980s (though his writing is revered by many to whose work he is indifferent). And he has never shown the slightest respect for writers and intellectuals who have done well by presenting themselves as victims of colonialism; and has thereby irritated a whole legion of academics. Hence the “scrapes”. But what has really stung some Indians is his sympathy for Hindu revivalism in the form of the BJP, now in government, and his unwillingness to condemn excesses such as the 1992 destruction of the mosque in Ayodhya.

He feels a definite antipathy for Islam’s fanatical role in India, past and present. Of the riots in Gujarat this year, which began with the burning by Muslims of a train carrying Hindu fundamentalists, he says: “The original thing that started it was a terrorist act, and should be considered so. It was meant to create a reaction.”

As the grandson of an indentured labourer from India, Naipaul is drawn to and repelled by the movements of the Hindu downtrodden in India — as he expressed in India: A Million Mutinies Now (1990). “My feelings about the BJP are very complicated,” he admits; but he has not changed his basic view. “I think every liberal person should extend a hand to that kind of movement from the bottom. One takes the longer view, rather than the political view. There’s a great upheaval in India; and if you are interested in India, you must welcome it.” If his three books on India have been influential, his two books on Islam, especially the one written just after the Iranian revolution of 1979, can be described as prophetic. “That expectation — of others continuing to create, of the alien, necessary civilisation going on — is implicit in the act of renunciation (of the West), and is its great flaw,” he wrote in Among the Believers.

Did his travels give him any inkling of the possibility of the attacks of September 11? “I’ve been aware of madness in the Islamic world. I’ve written about it. The madness of people who have fallen behind technically, and who do not have the will to make the intellectual effort to catch up. I was aware of the religious hatred, I was aware of the indifference to life. I was aware of the anti-civilisation aspect of the new fundamentalism. But I had no idea it had gone so far — the madness. The idea of their strength is an illusion. Nothing is coming from within. The terrorists can fly a plane, but what they can’t do is build a plane. What they can’t do is build those towers. I think people have spoken much rubbish about that event. The poor revenging themselves on the rich! It’s nothing but an aspect of religious hatred. And that is so hard to deal with, or even contemplate. You can deal with the poor striking out, but you can’t deal with the threat of a universal religious war.” Though he approved of the recent war in Afghanistan, he is keenly aware of the inherent absurdity of the current war on terrorism: “Your biggest enemy is your great ally — Saudi Arabia — and the foot-soldiers of the terror come from your other ally — Pakistan.”

Perhaps Naipaul’s talked-about marriage to a Pakistani journalist, Nadira Khannum Alvi, in 1996, just after the death of his first wife, might have been expected to make him more sympathetic to Islam, or to Pakistan. Instead, the opposite seems true. Both his books on Islam have been “banned” there, he says: anyway, they cannot be obtained. Naipaul is scathing: “It’s not a book-reading country, it has no intellectual life — it’s against the intellectual life. I think if the fount of all your actions is religion and the idea of the religious war, which involves religious hatred — then books, civilisation . . . these things don’t matter to you. All you need is the Koran, and a ruler with a big stick.”

Vintage Naipaul. His views are original and often surprising. About his all-green garden: “I feel if I wanted to see flowers, I could just take a bus ride and in front of every house there would be a series of shocking colours.” About book reviewing: “One of my golden rules was: never mention the name of a character. If you deny yourself that, you have to go to the heart of a novel.” About himself: “It’s my great regret that I didn’t do science at Oxford. I think I would probably have been a better man if I had studied science profoundly.”

No wonder his former friend Paul Theroux’s envious memoir, Sir Vidia’s Shadow, is so fascinating — “a portrait of Mozart by Salieri”, as A. N. Wilson called it. For V. S. Naipaul can never be dull. He is always thinking, always moving on.

“The artist, the writer, the filmmaker, moves on, and the friend who liked him no longer likes him. It has to be like this — people fall away,” Naipaul reflects. “I’m not lonely. It’s a fantasy about the writer’s life being lonely; I’m never happier than when I’m writing. Writers live when they’re writing: the other side of them is probably not as important as this life during the writing, in the writing.”

Andrew Robinson is the literary editor of the THES; V. S. Naipaul’s books are being reissued by Picador


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Naipaul tellin it like it is
1 posted on 08/09/2002 7:19:21 AM PDT by BlackIce
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To: BlackIce
If you can only read one paragraph, this is it:

I’ve been aware of madness in the Islamic world. I’ve written about it. The madness of people who have fallen behind technically, and who do not have the will to make the intellectual effort to catch up. I was aware of the religious hatred, I was aware of the indifference to life. I was aware of the anti-civilisation aspect of the new fundamentalism. But I had no idea it had gone so far — the madness. The idea of their strength is an illusion. Nothing is coming from within. The terrorists can fly a plane, but what they can’t do is build a plane. What they can’t do is build those towers. I think people have spoken much rubbish about that event. The poor revenging themselves on the rich! It’s nothing but an aspect of religious hatred. And that is so hard to deal with, or even contemplate. You can deal with the poor striking out, but you can’t deal with the threat of a universal religious war.” Though he approved of the recent war in Afghanistan, he is keenly aware of the inherent absurdity of the current war on terrorism: “Your biggest enemy is your great ally — Saudi Arabia — and the foot-soldiers of the terror come from your other ally — Pakistan.”

2 posted on 08/09/2002 7:32:37 AM PDT by Procyon
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To: Travis McGee; knighthawk; Cacique
Nobel Laureate on Islam...
3 posted on 08/09/2002 7:35:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: BlackIce
"You can deal with the poor striking out, but you can’t deal with the threat of a universal religious war.”

This sums up the denial and defective thinking in the West regarding Islamism. It isn't "poverty-ism," it's Islamism.

5 posted on 08/09/2002 7:39:20 AM PDT by eno_
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To: Procyon
That paragraph jumps out,doesn't it?
Especially this line:"The terrorists can fly a plane, but what they can’t do is build a plane." That says it all.
6 posted on 08/09/2002 7:39:22 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: BlackIce
I hate to sound ignorant but I was not aware of Naipaul's work. I will be purchasing his books regarding Islam shortly.
7 posted on 08/09/2002 7:40:26 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: BlackIce
...his unwillingness to condemn excesses such as the 1992 destruction of the mosque in Ayodhya. ...

He feels a definite antipathy for Islam’s fanatical role in India, past and present.

"I deeply condemn all fanatics except OUR fanatics!"

8 posted on 08/09/2002 7:42:38 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Alamo-Girl
More interesting insight into Islamo-facism.
9 posted on 08/09/2002 7:56:41 AM PDT by anymouse
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To: BlackIce
"...the fount of all [their] actions is religion and the idea of the religious war, which involves religious hatred..."

Nothing is truer.
10 posted on 08/09/2002 8:03:23 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: BlackIce
"An Area of Darkness and Among the Believers"

Two for my reading list. <* SIGH *> So many books to aquire...so few funds to aquire them with...story of my life.

Naipaul's description of the problems in Islamic culture appears to agree with my own conclusions, which can be summed up in two words : "cultural stagnation."

Even if he had never wrote these books, I'd like him for his rejection of the Cult of Victimhood and embrace of forward progress.

11 posted on 08/09/2002 8:09:25 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: BlackIce
After what he stated about Islam, I hope he doesn't get Salmon Rushdie-ized.

Leni

12 posted on 08/09/2002 8:12:25 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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Today's photo humor>

A group of Ba'th party soldiers, who appear to have explosives tied to their waists, gather for a military  parade in Baghdad in support of President Saddam Hussein August 8, 2002. Iraq's President Saddam Hussein said on Thursday that he was not frightened by threats from the United States and his country was ready to repel any attack. Photo by Faleh Kheiber/Reuters
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A group of Ba'th party soldiers, who appear to have explosives tied to their waists, gather for a military parade in Baghdad in support of President Saddam Hussein August 8, 2002. Iraq's President Saddam Hussein said on Thursday that he was not frightened by threats from the United States and his country was ready to repel any attack. Photo by Faleh Kheiber/Reuters

 

 

13 posted on 08/09/2002 8:16:41 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: 1bigdictator
Look for his dead brother, too, Shiva Naipaul, particularly the collection that contains "The Return of Eva Peron." Good stuff, though not about Musselmen.
14 posted on 08/09/2002 8:17:58 AM PDT by Big Bunyip
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To: eno_
"You can deal with the poor striking out, but you can’t deal with the threat of a universal religious war.”

This sums up the denial and defective thinking in the West regarding Islamism. It isn't "poverty-ism," it's Islamism.

Yup. Why is this so hard for the media to get? I suspect it's because they cannot understand religious belief in general. They simply cannot believe that other people take their faith seriously, since they don't themselves. Therefore they must logically ascribe the motivations of religious believers to other things, like class struggle, economic factors, psychological conditions, etc.

15 posted on 08/09/2002 8:19:58 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Procyon
You know, I was reading somewhere (I think the daily OpinionJournal from yesterday) about how some Palestinians despiar an hour or two after they're done celebrating a successful murderous attack.
I was literally screaming at my computer scream, "Why don't you build an economy!?! Why don't you build a government that will work for you!?!
And then I realized that they can't even comprehend. I mean, what are they going to do if they kill all of the Israelis? Why are they dependent on the Israelis for an economy?
Because they're too dumb to do it themselves. Sad.
16 posted on 08/09/2002 8:30:50 AM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool
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To: BlackIce
The terrorists can fly a plane, but what they can’t do is build a plane. Excellent point
17 posted on 08/09/2002 8:36:41 AM PDT by mel
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To: dennisw
"Iraq's President Saddam Hussein said on Thursday that he was not frightened by threats from the United States and his country was ready to repel any attack."

Saddam sure says that frequently...makes you wonder who he's trying to convince? After all we whupped his sorry butt once already after he said the same thing, so it's not us....

</rhetorical question>

18 posted on 08/09/2002 8:38:03 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Aquinasfan
Wow! You said a mouthful...

I never thought about it like that... but, you are right. They don't have the capacity to think in those terms, therefore, no one else does either... so, it has to be what we are doing to them and not just the fact that we are.

Which is the crux of the problem. They don't hate us because of the things we have, they hate us because we are not Islam, and because we are not Islam, it is their religious duty to "convert us at the edge of the sword" and if we won't be converted then to kill us with that sword.

All you have to do is look at the history of the Middle East and Islam's dealings with all other religions and people who were not Islam.

What is the expression... "those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it."

19 posted on 08/09/2002 8:39:32 AM PDT by carton253
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To: Aquinasfan
"Therefore they must logically ascribe the motivations of religious believers to other things, like class struggle, economic factors, psychological conditions, etc."

It's called "conditioned response". We all had at least one teacher or several college professors who blamed every social ill, no matter what it was, one of the conditions you name....and knew about a hundred students offhand who thought the same way. Now they can't think any other way.

They're trying SO hard to be logical and objective that they are acting illogical and unobjective.

20 posted on 08/09/2002 8:45:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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