[JohnHuang2]

Monday, September 2, 2002

Quote of the Day by BibChr

[cyn]

San Bernardino County's Garnett. . .
"Who do they report to?" he asked. "How do you know if the child has actually received a high school education, which is required to get into a university?"

Bump for the homeschoolers.

[angkor]

Andreoli said, however, that, in his view, the state's concern is that home-schools operating as private schools lack oversight to ensure that children are safe.

Don't parents normally operate home schools?

Don't parents normally "ensure that children are safe"?

[Tired of Taxes]

Eastin said if home-schooled children "were exempted from compulsory education laws by the mere filing of an affidavit ... then there would be potentially thousands of children in California whose education would not be subject to any supervision whatsoever."

Excuse me, Ms. Eastin. They're supervised by people who love them, not by uncaring gov't employees who view them as numbers, not children.

"it is incumbent upon the local school district to go out and check up and make sure these kids are in fact going to school,"

Sounds like the Gestapo.

He invited the families to "enroll in the district's home-based independent study program, a viable alternative to classroom instruction." Among the benefits, he said, are "using state- and district-approved textbooks" and "being enrolled in an approved" program,

Funny choice of words: "district's...independent study program". If it's approved and authorized by the district, just how independent could that study program be?

[gortklattu]

The liberals will fight for control of the educational systems because they have turned them into indoctrination systems.

The future of their party is at stake! This is holy ground for them!

[RightOnline]

"Superintendent Delaine Eastin said in an Aug. 27 letter to state legislators that "false charges" and "misinformation" leveled at her "make me believe that the situation cries out for a legislative solution."

By all means, Delaine.............let's get more laws, ya twit. Far be it from you to actually look at current law and use........oh.........say...............common sense.

California's already looking bad in this, and they'll wind up looking far worse, I predict.

I've told y'all here a hundred times: Do NOT EVER, EVER register with the State if you home school. EVER.

[Mr. Mulliner]

for your homeschool ping list

[Tom Bombadil]

but the amount of misinformation, and passion, in these communications does make me believe that the situation cries out for a legislative solution."

"You are so passionate I think I will ask the legislature to regulate you". First we accuse you of rioting, then we outlaw what you are peacably doing. Power grab power grab power grab.

[dasboot]

'We want to make sure children in our state live in homes with standards at least as high as those for government-subsidized public housing. There needs to be accountability to ensure running hot-and-cold water, adequate soap and toilet paper, safe food storage and preparation equipment, and compliance with California's Gun-Free School Zone policy, which are essential for children to grow up healthy.'

'Parents may apply for certification of their private homes on-line; waivers for approved household pets are also available.'

[glory]

Andreoli said, however, that, in his view, the state's concern is that home-schools operating as private schools lack oversight to ensure that children are safe.>>

Safe in this case equals pro homosexual agenda, over sexed, and exposed to the religion of peace.

This makes me so angry for California homeschoolers--how dare these people with the state of affairs thier schools are in think they have any say so over homeschooling parents. There are already laws on the books IF a homeschooling family is abusive to thier children or anything, if anything public school should be considered the exception. These blowhard ps officials seem to forget that they are only but one option and that they should be the exception and not the rule. All parents should be considered homeschoolers first and then thier children welcomed IF they choose public schools. No child should be expected to be there unless thier parents have previously demonstrated an inability to parent them(cases of abuse and neglect). I wonder how many kids are REALLY truant from California schools because they really are in trouble outside of school(ie they are registered to go there and don't) and how many visits they get a year, and they are targeting homeschool families?

[don-o]

But the CDE also bases its argument on the fact that home-schooling is not mentioned in the law.

That is it in a nutshell.

Their default position is that the state owns the children. This is a common thought in all totalitarian schemes.

Though I live in Tennessee, I have given money to the California Homeschoolers in a previous battle. This is important enough for me to do it again.

This may end up with another trip through the federal courts. (Scary thought, that.)

It may also be the beginning of a massive resistance to the insatiable lust for power drives the statists.

[randita]

"Facts are stubborn things":

Advocates, such as the Homeschool Legal Defense Association's Smith, argue that parental supervision has worked well for home-schoolers across the country, who according to studies, tend to score higher than their public and private school peers on standardized tests.

In contrast, the Sacramento Bee reported Friday that just three of 10 California students meet the state's language arts standards, according to test scores released Thursday. Four of 10 second-graders meet the state's new math standards, with proficiency levels dropping in most subsequent grades. At the high school level, 21 percent of 10th-graders were proficient in geometry, and 24 percent proficient in world history.

[dasboot]

'In California 90% of the children are starving and the other 90% are overweight ( according to recent CDC estimates). We only want to ensure that all our children are adequately and properly fed. Therefor we have asked the legislature to provide a law, where none exists, that requires all children to be brought to government nutrition centres for hearty Spam, Spam, and Spam.'

'We need to ensure that kids who eat at home are not subsisting on bugs or Crisco, as has sometimes been the case.'

[Izzy Dunne]

--- So why don't they go after the 30+ percent of public school teachers who are uncredentialed in the field they are teaching?
Oh.
That's right.
They're in the union.
Never mind.

[dasboot]

This mathematically-illiterate homeschool dad's kid will graduate valedictorian from her engineering school next June. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This kind of thing really annoys the NEA.

[Clovis_Skeptic]

bump for later

[buffyt]

I heard about this....

The letter states: "If your school is conducting a home-schooling program in which children are being instructed exclusively at home by non-credentialed persons, using a correspondence course, or another type of curriculum, it is likely that your school is not in compliance with the requirements of the compulsory school attendance laws of California."

I have a degree in education, so I would be "qualified to home school my kids". But my husband, who has a degree in Chemical Engineering would make a much better teacher in science, math, chemistry, physics, calculus, trig, geometry, algebra, etc. etc. etc. etc. He had more actual academic classes, where I had a lot of mumbo jumbo "education" classes [brainwashing].

[Congressman Billybob]

This is a long, thorough and good article. However, it fails to mention the court cases in California in which home schooling parents have had their right to do that vindicated. The very first thread on this subject, about 10 days ago, cited the three (or was it four?) lower court decisions already in place, ruling for the parents.

The court cases are essential to the story for two reasons. First, they put the lie to the claims of the educrats of the state's "edukashun" plantation that "the law has not changed," and "we're just enforcing the law." Second, I know from experience that a lawyer and client walking into any local courtroom, armed with three or four other local court decisions that go their way, are very likely to win their own case on the same subject.

Courts are human. Judges don't like to be embarrassed by having their decisions slapped down on appeal. Therefore, showing the next judge that several of his/her colleagues have ruuled a certain way, runs the odds up to 95% that this judge will do the same.

Note that the article shows a slight crack in the juggurnaut of the educrats. Those bozos are now trying to punt the ball to the legislature. Even though the educrats are incapable of feeling embarrassment, apparently they can feel the heat.

(Reforming public education is, of course, one of the central points in my latest book.)

Congressman Billybob

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[gitmo]

Home-schoolers have no accountability, contended San Bernardino County's Garnett.

"Who do they report to?" he asked. "How do you know if the child has actually received a high school education, which is required to get into a university?

What percentage of graduating government-schooled students received a high school education? 30%?

[goldstategop]

Delaine Eastin and the educrats are worried homeschooling threatens the public school monopoly. So naturally they would like to make enough threatening noises to ensure parents don't exercise that tempting option. Unfortunately for them it's a move that will backfire and make homeschooling more popular than ever by focusing people's attention on the fact there IS an alternative to the public school monopoly. As it is the twit Eastin wouldn't have helped make homeschooling so visible and attractive if she just had the good grace to shut up. Thanks to liberals like her homeschooling will have a great future despite the fact if they had it their way there would be no way for parents to ever take advantage of it.

[Pablo64]

From the article: "How do you know if the child has actually received a high school education, which is required to get into a university?"

Duuhhh!! They pass the university's required entrance exam, you mental moron! They also pass the CAT or ACT, or any other standard test, and most likely kick some public school butt in the process!

Actually, if the child had received a "high school education" by the State's definition, then I would say that their homeschool education was a failure. Universities are welcoming homeschooled students with open arms because they come ready to learn and don't need all the remedial classes that so many incoming freshmen do, and they usually exibit a maturity level that is beyond their peers.