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Windows critic shown HP's door
The Age ^ | September 13 2K2 | Garry Barker

Posted on 09/14/2002 8:14:16 PM PDT by rdb3

Windows critic shown HP's door
By Garry Barker
Technology Editor
September 13 2002

If Microsoft fears anything, it is Linux, the free, open-source operating system that is challenging the dominance of Windows software, especially in network servers.

Linux has been adopted by Dell, IBM and Hewlett-Packard who offer it as a parallel solution to Windows, yet, according to those of darker mind who watch the convoluted politics of the IT industry, even the biggest companies use a long spoon when supping with Bill Gates.

About 10 days ago, Hewlett-Packard fired Bruce Perens, one of the most respected Linux experts in the US because, as he told reporters, "the thing I did that was most hazardous for HP is the Microsoft-baiting I tend to do". The parting was amicable, he said, but he was fired.

Mr Perens was hired by HP two years ago to be a senior strategist for open-source software. In the US he was described as "an evangelist and rabblerouser on behalf of a computing counter-culture that increasingly is moving into the mainstream".

Part of his job description, Mr Perens said, was to "challenge HP management".


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Technical
KEYWORDS: linux; microsoft
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1 posted on 09/14/2002 8:14:16 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

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Got root?

2 posted on 09/14/2002 8:15:01 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3

HP's competitors will use this firing, at least for a while, to insert a little FUD into the buying decisions of UNIX shops where Hewlett-Packard has a bid on the table. Nobody can tell what this firing really means, and it might mean a strategic shift by HP away from linux. If I'm the IBM or Dell salesman, I'll make sure my linux customers know about this.

It will be interesting to see if IBM picks him up as a Fellow. In better times, the VC's would grab him as a "celebrity executive" for one of their start-ups, but things are pretty cold in that sector right now.


3 posted on 09/14/2002 8:44:12 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
...but things are pretty cold in that sector right now.

"Pretty cold?" How 'bout Antarctic-cold?

4 posted on 09/14/2002 8:53:49 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
How 'bout Antarctic-cold?

Colder than the inside of a crusty black pantsuit?

5 posted on 09/14/2002 9:01:08 PM PDT by IncPen
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To: rdb3
How 'bout Antarctic-cold?

It was so cold...
  How cold was it?
It was so cold, I saw a venture capitalist with his hands in his own pockets.

6 posted on 09/14/2002 9:25:03 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
Hey, I think that was originally a lawyer joke.
7 posted on 09/14/2002 9:31:24 PM PDT by DB
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To: Nick Danger
...but things are pretty cold in that sector right now.

And I doubt if they'll ever warm up for someone who passionately believes in the Open Source movement, because it's very hard to make money when you believe everything should be free.

Open Source may or may not be a good idea for the consumers (it depends on circumstances), but companies that depend on Open Source software for revenues have a built-in cap on how much they can make. Venture capitalists don't like that.

8 posted on 09/14/2002 9:34:54 PM PDT by Joe Bonforte
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To: rdb3
Anything I should know before I download Linux? Are there different versions of it? Does it have email? Do I have to delete Windows before installing it?

Thanks

9 posted on 09/14/2002 9:41:44 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: rdb3
"If Gates doesn't own 100% of everything, the terrorists have won."

;-)

10 posted on 09/14/2002 9:44:56 PM PDT by dighton
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Begin here.
11 posted on 09/14/2002 9:48:33 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: Joe Bonforte
companies that depend on Open Source software for revenues have a built-in cap on how much they can make.

How much money do you think Dell or HP make on a copy of Windows that they resell as an OEM? Do you think it's any different than what they would make installing Linux instead?

Revenues are not margins. In fact revenues that don't generate margins hurt a company's overall ROA. The price pressure on Intel boxes is sufficiently strong that the margins on the Windows resale are pushed to zero by competitive forces. The OEMs are therefore indifferent between Windows and linux.

Your venture capitalists will not care how much money you intend to make for Microsoft. They only care how much money you can make. You can't make money reselling Windows. Everybody does it and it's a commodity. It might as well be linux for all the money you'll make from it.


12 posted on 09/14/2002 9:51:29 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: rdb3
The other day I came across a TurboLinux disk that was packaged with some peripheral.

Is it reliable? Easy to use? Can it be installed as a dual OS on a Windows machine?

13 posted on 09/14/2002 9:54:55 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: martin_fierro
Yes, yes, and yes.
14 posted on 09/14/2002 10:02:29 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Now that I dig it out, the CD-ROM identifies it as "TurboLinux Workstation 6.0 Lite". There doesn't appear to be an installation file; rather, the CD-ROM appears to be a mirror disk.

Is it true that Linux runs well on older (i.e., Pentium 75 mhz) systems?
15 posted on 09/14/2002 10:16:04 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: rdb3
To HP: good move. Now license .NET for HP/UX.
16 posted on 09/14/2002 10:20:20 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: rdb3
Hewlett-Packard's direction in the mid-range to large scale server systems has been adrift for quite some time. In the mid 90s HP announced they were going to end production of their PA-RISC harware platform in favor of Merced, and likewise end HP-UX in favor of some Intel-flavor of Unix, such as Solaris on Intel or SCO. At that time HP was the favored choice for running large relational databases, such as Oracle and Informix. This turned out to be a very costly decision for HP, when shorly thereafter all their customers started buying their competitor's offerings when the 64-bit Intel platform was delayed. It was only a few months until HP publically reversed their position, and said they would continue to sell PA-RISC and HPUX. Since then, however, HP has not been able to regain the share in this marke it lost to Sun and IBM.

Therefore, it doesn't suprise me that HP has been vacillating about Linux. They have been having an identity crisis for some time. Of all the major computer companies, IBM has gone the farthest in adopting Linux in their products. I don't find this particularly suprising, since I am sure IBM learned a hard lesson from Microsoft's betrayal.

17 posted on 09/14/2002 10:37:16 PM PDT by Liberal Classic
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To: rdb3
This may of interest, from Business Week, "Microsoft's Prices May Cost Gates Dear.": http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/sep2002/tc2002094_8960.htm
18 posted on 09/14/2002 10:49:29 PM PDT by Big Bunyip
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To: old-ager
Spoken like a true corporatist.
19 posted on 09/14/2002 11:07:11 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: martin_fierro
It's true that Linux is very useful on older systems such as the one you described. Give me 5 such boxes and I'll have me a nice little cluster.

But don't get it twisted.

Slackware or Red Hat won't make a P-75 run like a Pentium 4 2.53 Ghz system. Anyone who tells you that it can is lying.

Then again, try loading Win2K on a 386 and watch what happens.

20 posted on 09/14/2002 11:10:29 PM PDT by rdb3
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