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Robot explores SECOND shaft, discovers matching door (Great Pyramid)
Yahoo (AP) ^ | Mon Sep 23,11:40 AM ET | By DONNA BRYSON, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 09/24/2002 7:40:58 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal

Robot explores second shaft, discovers matching door

Mon Sep 23,11:40 AM ET

By DONNA BRYSON, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Scientists using a robot have discovered yet another door deep inside the Great Pyramid, Egypt's head archaeologist said Monday.

Friday's discovery followed the robotic revelation on live, international television Sept. 17 of a chamber behind a similar stone door in another shaft in the pyramid the pharaoh Khufu built more than 4,000 years ago.

"This find in the northern shaft, coupled with last week's discovery ... in the southern shaft, represents the first major new information about the Great Pyramid in more than a century," Zahi Hawass, director of Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities and supervisor of the pyramid exploration project, said Monday.

The pyramid, made of 2.3 million stone blocks rising to 137 meters (452 feet) and measuring 227 meters (756 feet) along its base, is the largest of three that form a group with the Sphinx in the desert outside Cairo.

"This is not `Raiders of the Lost Ark,'" Hawass said, scoffing at the idea hidden treasure — or even a conclusive answer about the intentions of the pyramid builders — would be found behind the north shaft's door. A camera thrust through the south shaft's door revealed what appeared to be another door on the other side of a small chamber, for a total of three so far in the pyramid.

Hawass said he would consult with other experts to try to determine whether the doors have symbolic or structural roles, and use those theories to map out further exploration. Both shafts start from a chamber at the heart of the pyramid that measures about 5-by-5-6 meters (yards).

The latest find is "an exciting thing," said Dieter Arnold, an expert on ancient Egyptian architecture. "We are all waiting for the continuation of Dr. Zahi's project."

Arnold, reached by telephone at a site he is studying in the desert near Cairo, said the shafts and doors could have symbolic meaning related to ancient Egyptians' religion. Their texts, Hawass said, speak of the pharaoh's soul encountering a series of doors before reaching the rewards of afterlife.

"Don't expect that I can tell you what's behind the stone" door, Arnold said. "We're all stunned. We have no parallel."

Researchers have been aware of the shafts, found in no other pyramids, for decades. The first door — in the south shaft — was found by a team using another robot in 1993. That door and the north shaft's door were each adorned with an identical pair of brass handles. What may be a second door in the south shaft had no handles.

One puzzle researchers are trying to crack is how the pyramid's engineers, using ancient tools, carved shafts just eight inches (20 centimeters) on each side — no bigger than the spine of a paperback book — that explorers today have been able to follow only with the help of high technology.

National Geographic ( news - web sites) had commissioned the Boston firm iRobot to design and build Pyramid Rover, a small robot that moves on two sets of treads, to explore the southern shaft.

A day after the Rover performed in the south shaft on live television, technicians sent it into the north shaft, this time away from the cameras. The south shaft rose at a 40-degree angle. The north shaft was an even greater engineering feat, turning sharply four times to skirt a second chamber in the pyramid.

The robot's second trip was more difficult because of the shaft's zigzagging path. It took several days to reach its door, Hawass said. He said the south shaft's first door and the door just discovered in the north shaft were the same distance — 64 meters (211 feet) — from the central chamber.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: archaeology; egypt; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; greatpyramid; history; pyramid; upuaut
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"Robot explores SECOND shaft, discovers matching door (Great Pyramid)"

Did he do this before or after his San Francisco speech?

21 posted on 09/24/2002 8:45:39 AM PDT by Freemyland
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I'm in trouble, the Giza Power Plant is overloading my aluminum helmet!!
22 posted on 09/24/2002 9:44:13 AM PDT by APBaer
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To: blam
""Green door, what's that secret you're keepin? Green door!"
I remember when that song was at the top of the charts."

And Blam, when they found out WHAT was behind the Green Door they sang:
"Get out of here with that bump da bump, before I call a cop"
23 posted on 09/24/2002 9:47:25 AM PDT by APBaer
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To: blam
and inside, they found some very, very strange etchings...


24 posted on 09/24/2002 9:50:17 AM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: ErnBatavia
and this dude was holding the can of white paint..weird..


25 posted on 09/24/2002 9:51:58 AM PDT by ErnBatavia
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Hawass said he would consult with other experts to try to determine whether the doors have symbolic or structural roles...

Or maybe they weren't quite the design geniuses we've thought they were.

"You put the door where? You idiot! Well, we'll never get it out now. Just leave it and we'll put one here where it's supposed to go. At least nobody'll ever see the screw-up."

26 posted on 09/24/2002 9:57:07 AM PDT by william clark
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Pic here

http://www.guardians.net/egypt/news/egypt_team_finds_new_mystery_door.htm

They have an opportunity to take a sample of the copper handles, run (or disclose) results of an electrical conductivity test between the handle pieces, and take a sample of the wooden shaft in the northern Queen's shaft for dating purposes (if I have it correctly, there were the remains of a wooden shaft discovered there and it was only partially removed). There seems to be a lot of politics and ego associated with current research, and it unfortunately appears from a distance to lead to delays and a diminishment of scientific professionalism in dealing with the archaeological treasures involved; this has made it a bit difficult to follow progress in recent years without wincing...

In a post to an earlier thread on the subject I suggested that Gantenbrink's hypotheses could be extended to include the possibility that the shafts could be used for a pulley system to bring heavy objects into the main chambers and galleries. However, if there is a 45 degree bend in one of the shafts without a pulley at the bend, that would probably be precluded due to friction. Perhaps the shafts *really* *were* just simple thermal-rise ventilation devices (Gantenbrink's first listed hypothesis) which were blocked off in later phases of construction. I know it's very hot and stuffy in those chambers in the daytime (at least it was when I had a chance to visit them). They could and would have been protected from the elements (animals, sand, debris) by some sort of loose cloth or even metal screens. The presence of the wooden stick would under this scenario be due to a simple goof by one of the workers during construction.

I do find some of the Chris Dunn manufacturing-related observations interesting, but do not find his electrical generator theory of the shafts and the copper handles convincing enough to go with it. I think the handles are in the line of "one-way" functional, since they are offset from center which I would guess would make the doors perhaps a bit easier to lower, but very difficult to raise again once in position (hmm, a relatively straightforward experiment on a mockup model might be the optimal way to determine the viability of this notion).

Back to futures, I would guess if we are lucky we might get periodic bulletins of ongoing investigation results as time goes on.

27 posted on 09/24/2002 10:00:30 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: Thinkin' Gal
One puzzle researchers are trying to crack is how the pyramid's engineers, using ancient tools, carved shafts just eight inches (20 centimeters) on each side

Were these carved into the structure after the structure was complete, or were they carved while the blocks were being laid? Drilling a straight, rectangular shaft 200 feet through rock wouldn't be easy.

28 posted on 09/24/2002 10:02:29 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Those Egyptians were some pretty smart folks. Do you think the builders put those tantalizing shafts with secret doors in there just as a joke? Maybe the Egyptologists spend millions or billions of dollars to open the last door, looking for the lost riches of the Pharoes. But instead they find a carved picture of the pyramid builder, giving them whatever the equivalent of the middle finger was 4,000 years ago. That would be so rich!

Greeblie

29 posted on 09/24/2002 10:36:56 AM PDT by Greeblie
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To: ZULU; egarvue
Ever remember watching IN SEARCH OF.. with Leonard Nemoy? I remember an episode from that show where this Hermit from Eastern Europe who settled in Florida built a huge house using th ehardest coral rock which he shaped and set by "unknown" means. I love stuff just on the edge of reality and the twilight zone (even if I buy none of it).
30 posted on 09/24/2002 11:04:31 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro
I saw that one too.

Re the Great Pyramids: there was a Discovery Channel show over the weekend that talked about the five pyramids on the Giza Plain being in the exact orientation of five of the stars in Orion as they would have been when the pyramids were built. The three together are exactly in the same orientation as Orion's Belt. Pretty bizarre.
31 posted on 09/24/2002 11:07:56 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: ZULU; egarvue
Ever remember watching IN SEARCH OF.. with Leonard Nemoy? I remember an episode from that show where this Hermit from Eastern Europe who settled in Florida built a huge house using th ehardest coral rock which he shaped and set by "unknown" means. I love stuff just on the edge of reality and the twilight zone (even if I buy none of it).

Google found it!


32 posted on 09/24/2002 11:09:21 AM PDT by Destro
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To: Thinkin' Gal
One puzzle researchers are trying to crack is how the pyramid's engineers, using ancient tools, carved shafts just eight inches (20 centimeters) on each side — no bigger than the spine of a paperback book — that explorers today have been able to follow only with the help of high technology

theres' your answer, fishbulb.

33 posted on 09/24/2002 11:26:46 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Would anyone like to buy my Yeti pelt? I got it from the Elohim.
34 posted on 09/24/2002 11:29:10 AM PDT by Pahuanui
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To: EternalHope
One thing I'm pretty sure of: This ain't no tomb.

I'm guessing it's a gift shop.

35 posted on 09/24/2002 11:31:35 AM PDT by monkey
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To: Destro
his name is edward leed scallion, and the structure is at www.coralcastle.com. he did some amazing things, by himself. the egyptians, according to what some who spied on scallion reported, may have used a similar sounding or vocalization to levitate matter.

this is what eyewitnesses who spied on scallion said he did. either way, someone needs to explain how this little dude did all this on his own, and then moved the whole damn site to another location, alone.

36 posted on 09/24/2002 11:32:19 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: RightWhale
Were these carved into the structure after the structure was complete, or were they carved while the blocks were being laid? Drilling a straight, rectangular shaft 200 feet through rock wouldn't be easy.

I don't know why the article is trying to make *that* issue sound like such a mystery, because the answer is already well-known.

During construction, the bottom "floor" of the shafts were laid as using flat blocks laid end to end (like a tiled sidewalk), then the sides and "roof" of the shafts were made by carving a "U" shaped groove into other blocks which were then simply laid "U" side down on top of the "sidewalk". See here

The *real* mystery is why, since laying such diagonal structures cutting across horizontal layers of the pyramid would have added immensely to the difficulty of building the pyramid (versus simply piling horizontal layers one on top of another with no criss-crossing shafts). It wasn't just done on a whim. See this

If you have the time, browse the rest of the that website, it's absolutely fascinating and very well researched.

37 posted on 09/24/2002 12:15:27 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: Dan Day
Fascinating link. Huge amount of information in CAD. Interesting that a shaft supposedly aimed to transit a star isn't straight.
38 posted on 09/24/2002 12:35:36 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Thanks for the links.

Now that I've examined the drawings, things are starting to clear up for me.

I never knew before about the pits beneath the pyramids. That combined with the shafts, makes their purpose clear.

It's obvious to me now and should be to everyone.

The pyramids are...

...the Porta-Potties of the Gods!

39 posted on 09/24/2002 1:11:10 PM PDT by TC Rider
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To: All
I hate the way they call these 'doors'.

It seems very likely they are just plugs in a shaft.

The shaft could have been to allow people inside to view certain stars, or to allow people inside to have fresh air, or one of a hundred other things.

Then when the pyramid was sealed, they would have plugged the shafts multiple times.

Calling these 'doors' is only for hype, in my opinion.

40 posted on 09/24/2002 1:16:01 PM PDT by Dominic Harr
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