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Florida: left-wing UCF activists to use gubernatorial debate as launch pad
Orlando Sentinel ^ | October 21, 2002 | Scott Powers

Posted on 10/21/2002 1:49:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Gov. Jeb Bush and Democratic challenger Bill McBride will have to pass through a phalanx of student activists and outside agitators to get to Tuesday's debate at the University of Central Florida.

No one's ready to declare UCF the next Berkeley, but perhaps for the first time a left-wing activist organization is emerging -- and it's planning to use the gubernatorial debate for a coming-out party.

"I definitely think this event will give the Progressive Council the credibility it needs," said co-organizer Michael Tiner, a senior from Fort Lauderdale studying liberal arts.

The Bush and McBride debate will be in the UCF Student Union at 7 p.m. Tuesday, sponsored by the Orlando Sentinel and television station WESH. The UCF Progressive Council booked the grounds outside the entrances for several hours before, during and after the debate for a rally called "We the People 2002."

Union organizers, civil-rights activists, death-penalty foes, feminists, environmentalists and drug-law reform advocates are scheduled to speak and staff booths. They've also invited elected office candidates to take turns on their speakers' stage.

Bush and McBride could hardly have expected this when they agreed to debate in front of a handpicked audience on UCF's notoriously politically apathetic campus.

(Excerpt) Read more at orlandosentinel.com ...


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Maybe some FReepers should attend this party.
1 posted on 10/21/2002 1:49:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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*** "We're here now," said co-organizer Brian Cregger, a senior from Virginia studying electronic engineering technology. Still, the Progressive Council lost a marquee attraction for Tuesday and has had to scale back some plans. It had booked independent documentary filmmaker Michael Moore to speak, and got the student government to put up $20,000 for his appearance. Moore, whose new film Bowling for Columbine was just released, canceled though.***
2 posted on 10/21/2002 2:13:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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A place for 'wrong' view on campus - By Cathy Young, 10/21/2002 [Full Text] YOU MIGHT THINK that law students would be one group of people who would properly appreciate things like freedom of conscience, speech, and association. Apparently, you would be wrong.

Recently at the Washington University law school in St. Louis, a group called Law Students Pro-Life - which opposes abortion, euthanasia, and assisted suicide - applied for official recognition by the Student Bar Association. Without such recognition, a group cannot receive university funding, use campus facilities on a par with other student organizations, get a listing in the student brochure, have a university-affiliated Web site, or advertise its activities on campus bulletin boards.

On Sept. 10, the Student Bar Association voted 27- 10, with one abstention, to deny recognition to the group.

The reason? In a letter to Law Students Pro-Life chairman Jordan Siverd, bar association president Elliott Friedman explained that the panel was concerned about ''the narrowness of your group's interests and goals.'' In particular, there were objections that the group ''was not touching on all possible prolife issues'' because its constitution did not take a stand against the death penalty. The letter also suggested that in order to qualify for recognition, the group could broaden its scope by promoting ''discussion of the issues as a whole, not simply the prolife side'' and by opening its membership to ''students both subscribing to and disagreeing with the political viewpoint.''

The message seemed blatant: Change your moral and political outlook, or forget about university recognition. ''In short,'' observed Alan Charles Kors, a leading critic of the suppression of free speech on college campuses, ''Law Students Pro-Life had the wrong conscience.''

The group applied for recognition a second time, and was rejected yet again on Sept. 23.

I disagree, sometimes vehemently, with the prolife agenda. But it's easy enough to support the free speech rights of those with whom you agree.

The claim that Law Students Pro-Life is hypocritical or intellectually inconsistent in opposing abortion and euthanasia but not the death penalty is rubbish. Right-to-life advocates regard abortion (and euthanasia) as the taking of an innocent human life. Whatever one thinks of the death penalty, taking the life of a person convicted under due process of a capital crime is a very different matter.

What's really hypocritical - and ''narrow'' - is the double standard that the Student Bar Association appeared to apply. While chiding the group for its single-issue focus, it had recognized, as critics pointed out, other organizations with an equally limited agenda: for instance, the Jewish Law Society and the Black Law Students' Association, dedicated to serving the needs, respectively, of Jewish and African-American students, or OUTLAW, a group which describes its mission as promoting a ''supportive, positive, and safe [environment] for individuals of sexual and gender diversity.'' Presumably, OUTLAW was not required to give equal time to conservative traditionalist beliefs about sex and gender in order to be eligible for university funding.

Law Students Pro-Life eventually won its battle, but only after enlisting the support of vocal off-campus allies. The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a group co-founded by Kors and Boston attorney Harvey Silverglate which defends freedom of speech in academia, championed the group's cause and widely publicized its plight. The Missouri chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union got involved as well, joining the foundation in sending an open letter to the Student Bar Association, urging its members to ''reaffirm their commitment to tolerance, openness, and pluralism.''

A national petition circulated by the foundation was signed by more than 200 professors, students, and concerned citizens around the country. Law school dean Joel Seligman was deluged with phone calls and e-mails, prompting him to ask the bar association to have yet another vote on recognizing the prolife group. In his words, ''We appear to have stomped our foot down and said there's only one ideologically and politically appropriate way to behave.''

At a preliminary meeting, most members of the governing body seemed determined to stand their ground. Then, in a surprise ending on Oct. 15, the association voted 27-6, with four abstentions, to recognize Law Students Pro-Life. Maybe they realized that there was no glory in sticking by a decision that was morally and legally indefensible - the decision to bar a student group from campus because its beliefs are political incorrect. Too bad it took public shaming for them to remember the principles that should be self-evident to any student of US law.

Cathy Youngis a contributing editor at Reason magazine. Her column appears regularly in the Globe. This story ran on page A15 of the Boston Globe on 10/21/2002. © Copyright 2002 Globe Newspaper Company.

3 posted on 10/21/2002 3:49:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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i'll be there. this leftist even is going to be pathetic. UCF is not a left-wing campus, its a party school. these freaks are marginal at best. they tried to bring michael moore in for this event, but he declined. anyway, if any freepers show up, i'll be glad to meet you.
4 posted on 10/21/2002 9:32:23 AM PDT by Nayt2
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I'm glad you'll be in attendance. Sorry to say, we're too far away.

Bump!

5 posted on 10/21/2002 11:29:52 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: summer; floriduh voter; JulieRNR21; Goldwater Girl; PhiKapMom; Wait4Truth; redlipstick; ...
Jeb has to walk through a leftist student rent-a-hate-mob to get to the debate tomorrow. Can any Freepers get to UCF?
Please let me know if you want on or off my "'til election day" Fla. ping list.
6 posted on 10/21/2002 11:59:22 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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Damn, I'd love to be there, but A) I'm a wage-slave and B) I'm four hours away.

Doesn't Jeb have bodyguards? If they bust a few leftie heads, I promise I won't tell...


7 posted on 10/21/2002 12:24:24 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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We could use a Gideon or David, lol! (^:

Thanks for the post, CW.

8 posted on 10/21/2002 1:08:46 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
could use a Gideon or David

Or how about this guy? $:-)


9 posted on 10/21/2002 1:28:00 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Bump!
10 posted on 10/21/2002 1:34:53 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Joe Brower
Is he available? (^: I'll check out the UCF website and see what the local patriots are planning.
11 posted on 10/21/2002 1:58:53 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; Matchett-PI; oldglory; MindBender26; BigWaveBetty; 3D-JOY
Florida FReeper BTTT!

I'm attending a GOP Debate Party at a hotel next to UCF to watch the debate on a wide-screen monitor.
About 20 people will be chartering a bus from Titusville to attend.
Sounds like I'll have to detour the bus to UCF!!

12 posted on 10/21/2002 2:50:29 PM PDT by Luke FReeman
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i'll be at that party too. see you there.
13 posted on 10/21/2002 3:52:02 PM PDT by Nayt2
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To: Luke FReeman
Whoo hoo! Thanks, Luke. I e-mailed local Republican clubs asking them to send 'troops' to UCF tomorrow, pass on the word, pray. The FR "A" team on the scene tomorrow night could be the most important Florida Freep of the decade.
14 posted on 10/21/2002 3:57:15 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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Wish I could- but I'm four hours away and working all day.
Lots of R groups in greater Orlando- they need to get out there!
15 posted on 10/21/2002 3:58:51 PM PDT by Goldwater Girl
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To: Luke FReeman
Luke, When is the dabate at UCF? MB26
16 posted on 10/21/2002 6:05:02 PM PDT by MindBender26
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"I'm attending a GOP Debate Party at a hotel next to UCF to watch the debate on a wide-screen monitor."

WOW!!! I just came in from being down at the Orange Co. Republican headquarters on Semoran Blvd after helping stamp 50,000 peices of mail and called Gloria to tell her about that party and see if she wanted to meet me there around 6:30, then I was going to call you, too!

She informed me that you had sent us a post on here saying that you already heard about it and were planning to come over! FANTASTIC!

For those who want to go, the hospitality / debate party will be held from 6:30 to 8:30 in the ball room of the Holiday Inn Select at the corner of Alafaya Trail and University Blvd tomorrow evening (Tuesday, 10-22-02).

I have to work at the courthouse in Titusville tomorrow, and will just head straight over to Orlando on route 50 afterwards. That will put me on the east side of town and make it easy to swing by for the party. Gloria is planning on going too. Can't wait to see all you there! Spread the word!!!

17 posted on 10/21/2002 6:54:08 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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Bump!! See #17
18 posted on 10/21/2002 7:01:38 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
if you know your way around UCF, the Jeb! orange county team is going to meet at the corner of aquiarius drive and pegasus circle so they can sign wave as jeb! arrives and maybe deflect some attention from the leftists.
19 posted on 10/21/2002 7:02:21 PM PDT by Nayt2
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ooops, i forgot to post the time. they're meeting at 5:30 pm.
20 posted on 10/21/2002 7:03:08 PM PDT by Nayt2
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