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To: logic101.net
The legislation you are worried about is sponsored by DEMOCRATS! It is being pushed for by DEMOCRATS! It is a scheme that is an add-on to Clinton requested legislation, oh, btw, Clinton is also a DEMOCRAT!

Who sponsors legislation is irrelevant. Republicans hold a majority in the House. Republicans have the final say on which legislation passes and which doesn't. The bill discussed on this thread was passed while Republicans held a majoity of seats in the House. The Lautenberg Gun Ban which President Bill Clinton signed in 1996 was passed while Republicans held a majority of seats in the House. It was a purely symbolic gesture intended to make Republicans look like they're tough on crime.

So is Bingo Jim in WI, who will be our next Governor thanks to Ed Thompson of your party.

Ed Thompson had nothing to do with McCallum's loss. To imply otherwise is a Non Causa Pro Causa fallacy.

...are you a member of the NRA?

The NRA is an organization of sellouts and compromisers. The NRA supports stricter enforcement of gun-control. I support the repeal of gun-control. I will never vote for a candidate who supports stricter enforcement of gun-control. NRA ratings are worthless. Any legislator who votes to enact more gun-control or supports stricter enforcement of gun-control deserves an F. Since the NRA supports both I give them an F.

...which party is it that is trying to allow CC for law abiding citizens?

You keep hammering away at getting those state-issued licenses, ok? I'll keep working toward a Libertarian society so it won't be necessary to ask the state for permission to carry a concealed weapon.

However, you continue to assert that there is no diference between Republicans and Democrats.

The differences are so insignificant as to be inconsequential.

Perhaps it is the LP term "Republicrats" that confuses you. Don't blame the Republicans for your confusion, blame YOUR party! You guys can't seem to keep them straight.

My opinion of Republicans was arrived at through many hours of reading and research, some of which I've presented to you in previous posts and which you've ignored. Whether your refusal to even acknowledge what I presented was the result of willfull ignorance or denial I have no idea.

Perhaps also you are confused by the DEMOCRATS; since they know their true agenda would be instantly rejected, they pretend to be Republicans when they campaign on issues.

Coincidently, Republicans campaign like Libertarians with talk of reducing government. But, after they get elected they make government bigger.

You also assume that I am a Republican, since I am not a rabid LP'er. I am not, my views lie much closer to the LP than to the Republicans, however unlike you I allow reality in my world and know that without power to make changes you can't make changes!

It doesn't matter to me what party you belong to. It's your voting that concerns me. Unlike you I came to realize a long time ago that I'll never get smaller government if I keep voting for people who are making government bigger.

I am a Constitutionalist; I believe that the Founders ment EXACTLY what they wrote in the Constitution and Bill of Rights...

Ask anyone in Congress and I'm sure they'll say the same thing. Republican Congressman David Dreier makes regular appearances on Larry Elder's radio talk show in Los Angeles. Larry is a Libertarian. Every time Dreier comes on he talks about how Republicans are working hard to reduce government. But, I've been watching Dreier's voting record for a couple of years. He votes for nearly every increase in government. When Larry confronts him about it Dreier's response is that Republicans kept government from growing less than Democrats. That is unacceptable.

Also, it was a DEMOCRAT dominated court that saw the line I have searched my copy of the Constitution for. Try as I might, I just can't find that line about "SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE". It should be easy to find since, according to Democrats, Athiests and Lawers, it is the entire foundation of the Constitution.

It is immoral to force people to finance the advancement of ideas which may be inconsistent with their own values or beliefs.

It was a DEMOCRAT court that discovered a woman had a god-given right to kill her unborn baby any time she chose. Again, I just can't find that in my copy of the Constitution (or the bible for that matter).

Abortion wasn't the calamity that it is today until after the Great Society programs. Abortion was virtually unheard of 50 years ago. Sure, it still happened. But, we were in a far better position to do something about it. The socialist Welfare State subsidizes lifestyles which encourage the kind of behavior that results in unwanted pregnancies. Republicans have increased funding for the socialist Welfare State decade after decade.

And of course you finally resort to the typical ad hominem attacks with insinuation of drug use and whatnot.

75 posted on 11/13/2002 3:44:54 PM PST by Alan Chapman
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To: Alan Chapman
As I have been trying to tell you, a LP has no chance at high office the way you guys are doing it. Your result is only to split the conservative vote, often giving a Democrat/Socialist a victory. This does not advance your agenda.

Your best bet is to infiltrate the Republican party, run your candidates under the Republican banner for the lower offices allowing them to develop campaign skills and get name recognition. As the candidates get known, then you run them for progressively higher offices.

However, you ignore this advice since you can't understand that we can't roll back 50 years of Socialist advances overnight! Since you can't make this change overnight, you help the Socialists make more advances? Is this logical? Nope, it is childish; just as it is to insist, against all facts that there isn't a difference between Republicans and the Democrat/Socialists.

You advance none of your agenda by helping the Socialists; yet in your fantisy world facts don't matter.

I see no point in even trying to break into your fantisy world with facts anymore. I hope most LP'ers have a more firm grip on reality than you seem to.

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
104 posted on 11/14/2002 6:53:01 PM PST by logic101.net
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