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Race Has No Meaning Genetically, Researchers Say
CNN.com Science/News | Tuesday, December 17,2002 | staff writer

Posted on 12/17/2002 9:27:02 AM PST by yankeedame

Race not reflected in genes, study says

Tuesday, December 17, 2002 Posted: 10:17 AM EST (1517 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The idea of race is not reflected in a person's genes, Brazilian researchers said, confirming what scientists have long said -- that race has no meaning genetically.

The Brazilian researchers looked at one of the most racially mixed populations in the world for their study, which found there is no way to look at someone's genes and determine his or her race. Brazilians include people of European, African and Indian, or Amerindian, descent.

"There is wide agreement among anthropologists and human geneticists that, from a biological standpoint, human races do not exist," Sergio Pena and colleagues at the Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais in Brazil and the University of Porto in Portugal wrote in their report, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

"Yet races do exist as social constructs," they said.

They found 10 gene variations that could reliably tell apart, genetically, 20 men from northern Portugal and 20 men from Sao Tome island on the west coast of Africa.

But the genetic differences did not have anything to do with physical characteristics such as skin or hair color, the researchers found.

They next tested two groups -- 173 Brazilians classified as white, black, or intermediate based on arm skin color, hair color, and nose and lip shape, and 200 men living in major metropolitan areas who classified themselves as white.

They used the 10 genetic markers that differed between people from Portugal and Africa, but found little difference among anyone in their study.

To their surprise, they found maternal DNA suggested that even the "white" people had, on average, 33 percent of genes that were of Amerindian ancestry and 28 percent African.

This suggested European men often fathered children with black and Indian women.

"It is interesting to note that the group of individuals classified as blacks had a very high proportion of non-African ancestry (48 percent)," they wrote.

"In essence our data indicate that, in Brazil as a whole, color is a weak predictor of African ancestry," they concluded.

"Our study makes clear the hazards of equating color or race with geographical ancestry and using interchangeably terms such as white, Caucasian and European on one hand, and black, Negro or African on the other, as is often done in scientific and medical literature."


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To: Billy_bob_bob
What do a black man and white women give birth to?
21 posted on 12/17/2002 10:01:17 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: yankeedame
I have to say that I don't understand this genetic stuff. Maybe someone can clear this up for me.

If you look at the K9 population, or the feline population you have breeds of dogs and cats. You have black dogs and white dogs and yellow and brown dogs. Same with cats...

You have different physical charistics within the dog and cat specise. Yet all dogs can interbreed, and all cats can interbreed. But dogs cant interbreed with cats.

This is a serious question (no flames please) and I'ed like other opinions. Is the difference in breeds of dogs or cats the same as diferent races in humans? Would you be able to tell the breed of a dog from it's genes? I read somewhere that there was only a percent or two difference between the genes of a mouse and a human.

I've never herard this talked about or explaned.

22 posted on 12/17/2002 10:02:07 AM PST by babygene
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To: Bluntpoint
A hybrid, a mixture of both. But isn't that obvious?
24 posted on 12/17/2002 10:02:40 AM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: yankeedame
Everything is genetic, even children. If your parents didn't have any children, chances are that you won't have any either.
25 posted on 12/17/2002 10:03:35 AM PST by Consort
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To: moron
Like what? Blonde hair on Swedes vs black hair on Italians? Regional interbreeding.
26 posted on 12/17/2002 10:05:02 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: moron
Nose lenght and breath, for example, has been associated with climate and the need for more or less humidifing of dry or humid air.
27 posted on 12/17/2002 10:05:04 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: widowithfoursons
Well gee golly gee fricken whiz...from this article you would think that we are just a bunch of Humans.
28 posted on 12/17/2002 10:05:12 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Billy_bob_bob
I was just hoping you were not pushing any genentic purity non-sense. I see you were just making a statement.
29 posted on 12/17/2002 10:06:35 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Jimer
"Everything is genetic, even children. If your parents didn't have any children, chances are that you won't have any either."

Prove it!

Quickly! I seem to be fading away.


30 posted on 12/17/2002 10:08:24 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: joesnuffy
IF GOD is colorblind....then why did HE make different races?

It's not what's on the outside that God loves, its on the inside.

31 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:11 AM PST by Osprey
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To: ohioman
from this article you would think that we are just a bunch of Humans.

Some people's whole world view is wrecked by that fact.

32 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Bluntpoint
"What do a black man and white women give birth to?"

Yea, I see your point. Except when you mix black and white you dont get brown, you get grey...
33 posted on 12/17/2002 10:09:47 AM PST by babygene
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To: yankeedame
"The Brazilian researchers looked at one of the most racially mixed populations in the world for their study, which found there is no way to look at someone's genes and determine his or her race"

"To their surprise, they found maternal DNA suggested that even the "white" people had, on average, 33 percent of genes that were of Amerindian ancestry and 28 percent African. "

On the one hand they say they can't determine race by someones genes, on the other hand they can determine that 33% of genes in whites are Amerindian and 28% African. Which is it?

I thought we all shared essentially the same genes? To say that 33% of genes in whites can be identified as Amerindian seems highly unlikely as Chimps only differ from us by about 2% of their genetic structure.

Something makes this smell like a politically motivated "scientific study" to me. My guess is the results were predetermined and the data simply filled in to support it. Not the most reliable method of scientific inquiry.

34 posted on 12/17/2002 10:10:26 AM PST by monday
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To: babygene
What is brown and biege?
35 posted on 12/17/2002 10:10:42 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
What about pretty and ugly?
38 posted on 12/17/2002 10:12:39 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: Bluntpoint
I don't know; tan?
40 posted on 12/17/2002 10:13:48 AM PST by babygene
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