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Brazilian Oil Workers Refuse to Replace Stiking Venezuelans
El Mercurio (Santiago) ^ | 04 January 2003 | EFE

Posted on 01/04/2003 6:43:17 AM PST by chilepepper

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To: MattinNJ
"Socialists even had a petition going demanding Clinton stay in office until the 2000 elections were straightened out, which would have taken years if America had agreed to it!" I wonder how close we came to a civil war. I really am amazed that Clinton did not take advantage of the situation.

I was at an anti-Gore rally, where I got interviewed by a reporter. She was interested in my sign, where I put up pictures of the chad-counters in FL obviously tampering with the ballots. She was even more interested in the fact that the handiest piece of cardboard I could find at home for a backing was a bullet-riddled target board. It sort-of drove home just WHO was starting to get really pissed off here

61 posted on 01/05/2003 9:00:52 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Teacher317
What is it with oil-rich nations going to communists or dictators, anyway?? Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, Nigeria... Mexico is the only top producer who isn't, and they're the only one I'd consider beng close to third world.)

The answer is greed of men and lack of education of the masses. The wealth was so sudden that education didn't follow quickly enough and greedy men were able to gain control too easily.

There is nothing that makes people more vulnerable to control than the combination of ignorance and poverty. Think what these oil rich countries could and should be if a portion of the oil money was turned back to the people, instead of going to ruling families and fascist leaders, who funnel the money to terrorist organizations.

62 posted on 01/05/2003 9:04:47 AM PST by Eva
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
you mean, managers. the main union in the strike is the union of managers.

Are managers employees? Do managers work? Do they have the right to bargain collectively?

This is not about the Union striking for more money. It's about the workers in the oil industry who are joining hundreds of thousands of their fellow citizens in a general strike in order to force a tyrant out of power.

The Venezuelan people do not want to follow North Korea and Zimbabwe into starvation. They do not want Communist maniacs to destroy their country as they have destroyed every nation that has been duped into the lie of Socialism.

The Marxist class hatred that you are espousing is intended to demonize and destroy the middle class. Marxism is not about lifting people out of poverty. It is about exterminating everyone who dares to not be a slave.

63 posted on 01/05/2003 3:38:40 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: SauronOfMordor
She was even more interested in the fact that the handiest piece of cardboard I could find at home for a backing was a bullet-riddled target board.

I would have loved to have seen the look on the reporter's face.

I was at a family function while the election mess was going on and, sure enough, the liberals (2 of whom are white male firemen-don't ask-I can't figure it out)just had to start with me. I told them (half jokingly)that I hoped things got to the point where a civil war would break out so we could end this nonsense once and for all. My friend said "I voted for Gore"

I replied that I would shoot him. The reply was pure silence which was all I wanted in the first place. HeHeHe.

64 posted on 01/05/2003 6:44:58 PM PST by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
I replied that I would shoot him. The reply was pure silence which was all I wanted in the first place. HeHeHe.

Jokes like yours really make life difficult for the rest of us gun owners. What do you think your friend's attitude towards gun control will be now, with you as an example of "responsible gun owners"?

65 posted on 01/06/2003 5:16:15 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: SauronOfMordor
Jokes like yours really make life difficult for the rest of us gun owners. What do you think your friend's attitude towards gun control will be now, with you as an example of "responsible gun owners"?

This from someone who shows a bullet ridden placard to a member of the media-I wonder what she thought.

First of all, it was a joke.

Secondly, I was trying to make the point that if there was a civil war, I would have fought on the conservative side and he would have fought on the liberal side and if I had to I would have shot him. Being a responsible gun owner has nothing to do with taking up arms to defend your country. I was not trying to infer that I would have shot him for the heck of it during peacetime.

Lastly, he owns several guns-he is pro 2nd amendment, pro life, and bitches and moans about being taxed to death. Stupidly, he continues to vote in the scoundrels who are opposed to his point of view. I try explaining this to him but he is a liberal and logic holds no place in their universe.

66 posted on 01/06/2003 6:23:38 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Eva
The problem is that the "people" don't trust the free market system because to them that means that all the wealth goes to the same corrupt gov't leaders and the already rich elite. The "people" have seen no benefit from the oil. Trickly down economics doesn't work in a third world country, with a fascist in control.

The problem is that they don't have a "free market" system. A "free market" by definition means that private individuals have to be able to set up businesses, hire people, and sell their products without heavy government restrictions. If you can't set up a business without high-level "connections", you don't have a free market, you have oligarchy. This is the state of affairs in the Third World, and is why they stay "Third World". Unfortunately for the US, increasing government restrictions are making the US market less and less a "free market" system

The way Reagan's economics work (and "trickle-down" is the disparaging term used by his opponents), is that when you remove high taxes and government restrictions, ambitious and energetic middle-class people will find niches into which they can start/expand businesses, and in the process create jobs for others. As the number of jobs grows, competition for good employees will raise salaries

67 posted on 01/06/2003 6:24:09 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
pretty close to to the longshoreman strike.

Not at all. The longshoreman want more money. The Venezuelans want to not be robbed.

Oil is merely being used as a weapon to oust Chavez because it will begin to have repurcussions around the world. It makes the Venezuelan struggle against Communist oppression matter to people in th U.S. and elsewhere, who would otherwise simply ignore their plight as we ignore those being exterminated in Zimbabwe.

69 posted on 01/06/2003 12:14:11 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
like calling for clean union elections, and having the president actually control a state enterprise.

I don't love unions, but I respect the right of free people to bargain collectively and run their unions as they please. You clearly hold the view that the 'Presidente' should control have authoritarian control over the oil industry. That's Socialism.

Chavez cannot get away with reducing those oil workers to the same level of abject poverty as the rest of his adoring plebian slaves, because those oil workers have skills Chavez needs. As long as they refuse to submit to his attempts to violently enslave them, he will be unable to run his country.

Of course they joined the opposition. Chavez threatens their livelihoods because he is a Communist and they are middle class. It is the goal of Communists to level society by eliminating the middle class and reducing everyone to the level of starving slaves.

claiming chavez had 30% support amongst a telephone poll

Please don't make me laugh. If Chavez even had the slightest pretensions of democracy or even a marginal support of the people, he'd have nothing to fear from the referendum. He's a brazen dictator who has already staed his intention to never leave office.

many more unionists have been killed by paramilitaries in colombia next door.

Even more have been killed in Colombia by the Communist FARC, which Chavez supports. But good little marxists only cry about the 'right wing' paramilitaries.

The only difference between Chavez and FARC is that Chavez is in charge of his country and the FARC isn't in charge of theirs. Chavez, FARC and the rest of the thieving genocidal communist slavemasters will all meet with very violent ends, and very soon. Their rejected and evil ideology is a nightmare which will only destroy themselves.

71 posted on 01/06/2003 1:37:18 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: chilepepper; Cincinatus' Wife; Poohbah; section9; shanec; Dog Gone; Miss Marple; Luis Gonzalez
This is going to be interesting - will Lula da Silva offer the workers anyhow, and risk problems with the union, or will he quietly back off?

The allegations about Chavez sending a donation to al-Qaeda might have been intended to isolate him from us, but it may have had a side effect of also giving Lula a "face-saving" way out of a fix.

All Lula really has to say is something to the effect of, "I had no idea that this donation occured. Quite frankly, I'm not going to force these union workers to cross a picket line. Hugo needs to work things out with the people. And barring an explanation of this donation to al-Qaeda, he is NOT getting any help from me."
72 posted on 01/06/2003 1:48:56 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
Bump!
73 posted on 01/06/2003 1:50:46 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
It IS the state oil company.

Then lets see Chavez run it with street urchins and brownshirts. Good luck.

chavez and his opponents look like amnesty international.

Sure and Chavez is about as pro-American as Amnesty international too.

Amnesty International Lobbies Nations Against US


75 posted on 01/06/2003 2:23:55 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: hchutch
I don't think Lula can force Brazilians to go break the strike. They are private citizens and Brazil is still a democracy, even though they just made a bad election decision.

He could send the army, but that won't help. Chavez could use his own army if that was a solution.

76 posted on 01/06/2003 2:46:24 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
Venezuela - Chavez Supporters Attack Police - Jan 04, 2003
78 posted on 01/07/2003 7:55:11 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: onetimeatbandcamp
Prove it.
80 posted on 01/07/2003 8:27:35 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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