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Second U.S. Judge Blocks 'Do-Not-Call' List
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Posted on 09/25/2003 4:10:17 PM PDT by Hotdog
War of the laws?...whats next?
TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: donotcalllist
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To: Professional
Chances are, the companies that are really bugging you, are already in violation of Federal and State laws.I get many calls from many companies. I don't kown of any specific law these companies may be in violation of but I do know that they will be in volation of this new law, because my name is on this list.
To: FreeReign
Don't sign up on this list and then YOU won't get what YOU "don't need".Good point. Also another misconception by many is that this will eliminate telemarketing altogether from lack of business which is wrong. There are 300+ millions other Americans they can harrass!
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:01:51 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
To: m1-lightning
There are a large number of devices you can buy to regulate your phone, just as you can prevent yourself from seeing content delivered to your television. There's caller ID, ringers that turn on and off, answering machines, or you can even verbally abuse the caller if you want.
You can also have an unlisted number, sue people for undue intrusiveness, or use private-sector screening lists. The caller, whether you like it or not, should have a right to call a publicly listed number and the government should have no business in it one way or another.
I'd be willing to bet these are conservative judges making these rulings. They respect the concept of free speech and recognize that unwelcome speech is the most important speech that needs to be protected.
To: m1-lightning
Another point. This "do not call list" does not cover out of country telemarketers.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:04:22 PM PDT
by
Calpernia
(Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
To: m1-lightning
Do you have cable? What if you decide it's too annoying to have to sit through commercials on cable? You want a "do not advertise to me" law next?
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:05:14 PM PDT
by
Fledermaus
(Health insurance, a good economy and quality education are meaningless if you are DEAD!)
To: Graybeard58
Does this mean I will violate the "free speech" rights of a magazine salesperson if I put up a sign that said "No magazine salespeople allowed", but did not place the same restrictions on Girl Scouts selling cookies?
Geez, can't wait to be called into court on that one!
Just damn...........
To: m1-lightning
Sure they can. The phone call itself is "commerce", whatever the nature of the message.
It's the same principle that allows Congress to (for instance) regulate interstate trucking, even though it often carries materials that are in themselves protected by the First Amendment.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:07:43 PM PDT
by
steve-b
To: massadvj
There are a large number of devices you can buy...That says it all right there.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:08:42 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
To: massadvj
The caller, whether you like it or not, should have a right to call a publicly listed number and the government should have no business in it one way or another.Exactly. If you don't like it, don't sign a contract with the telephone provider.
It's like whiney people that don't like spam but they blindly click on "Accept" for every website they want to create a User ID for without reading that they will send you e-mail. Then they whine some more about having to unsubscribe or get a spam filter or even just block the sender.
And I pulled out my Constitution again and I found nothing in it that guarantees the right to a telephone.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:09:11 PM PDT
by
Fledermaus
(Health insurance, a good economy and quality education are meaningless if you are DEAD!)
To: mhking
But I sure as hell don't have to let them say their piece on my damn telephone!!!!You're really missing the point of the ruling. Get rid of the exemptions for the favored groups, and then you can have your law.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:09:37 PM PDT
by
Sandy
To: Calpernia
This "do not call list" does not cover out of country telemarketers.
Another good point but I can't remember the last time somone from out of country ever called me.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:10:26 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
To: m1-lightning
>>>Another good point but I can't remember the last time somone from out of country ever called me.
How do you know where they are calling from? I know AT&T outsources its telemarketing to a Canadian firm. Qwest uses a firm in India. You don't know where they are calling from.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:12:50 PM PDT
by
Calpernia
(Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
To: Brandon
What is the judge's name, and phone number? It should be freely available. I want to call her and tell her why I don't want to receive unsolicited calls.
To: steve-b
I see your point but commerce is the sale of goods whereas donations are not.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:14:21 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
To: Concentrate
This post
here is about that judge's phone being swamped with 'angry callers'.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:14:54 PM PDT
by
Calpernia
(Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
To: m1-lightning
Another good point but I can't remember the last time somone from out of country ever called me. Soon to be different.
To: Fledermaus
Do you have cable? What if you decide it's too annoying to have to sit through commercials on cable? You want a "do not advertise to me" law next? Cable is not a necessity.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:16:28 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
To: Beelzebubba
How fast do you think a "Do Not Call" amendment to the Constitution would pass? It would pass faster than gas. But then so would complete abolition of the second amendment. That doesn't make it right. The constitution is there precisely to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority. Thank GOD!
To: Graybeard58
I don't see how telemarketers can be singled out and let politicians and charities continue to call anyone they please with their solicitations.Amen. The judge is probably right. As usual, freepers are freaking out without having read the decision.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:18:42 PM PDT
by
Sandy
To: Concentrate; Calpernia
I know AT&T outsources its telemarketing to a Canadian firmAnother loophole that will have to be legislated as well.
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posted on
09/25/2003 9:19:36 PM PDT
by
m1-lightning
(A charge to keep I have, a God to glorify, a never-dying soul to save, and fit it for the sky.)
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