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United Church of God needs to read the book of Hebrews. The old covenant has passed and we are in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ has become all to the New Testament saint.


2 posted on 10/03/2009 7:24:06 AM PDT by sola gracia
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To: sola gracia

[United Church of God needs to read the book of Hebrews. The old covenant has passed and we are in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ has become all to the New Testament saint.]

I am a sola scripture Christian and not of the liberal leftist church and beleive that this article is supported by Scripture as I have read it and so it says. The United Church of God, who are they? Perhaps one of many sects.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
You should read and study the Scriptures and stop playing and changing the Word of God lest His wrath fall on you for following a sect; the Roman Church is a sect and has departed from the Word of God as the only source of truth and all doctrine.


5 posted on 10/03/2009 7:37:56 AM PDT by kindred (Facts are a stubborn thing, but people are even more stubborn and will deny facts.)
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To: sola gracia; DouglasKC
United Church of God needs to read the book of Hebrews. The old covenant has passed and we are in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ has become all to the New Testament saint.

YHvH describes His New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 - 40.

Read it and tell me are we there yet ?

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
7 posted on 10/03/2009 7:58:30 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: sola gracia
The old covenant has passed and we are in the New Covenant

Because you made this statement, I assume that you do not know that the Greek verb tenses of Hebrews 8:13 are not past tense, and neither is the word "Covenant" [diatheke] found in the verse. Your preconceived theology got ahead of you Bible knowledge.

But while you are learning about studying the Bible, let me ask you a few questions:

- Can you define, using Scripture alone (no italicized words), what the "Old Covenant" is?

- Can you define, using Scripture alone, what the "New Covenant" is, where in Scripture it is promised, and to whom it was promised?
8 posted on 10/03/2009 8:25:28 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: sola gracia; DouglasKC; All
Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

The question is whether you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1
or you trust the traditions of man
Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

9 posted on 10/03/2009 8:30:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: sola gracia
United Church of God needs to read the book of Hebrews. The old covenant has passed and we are in the New Covenant. Jesus Christ has become all to the New Testament saint.

Biblically the feasts of Jesus Christ our Lord fall outside of the covenants. The old covenant was agreed to by the Israelites at Mount Sinai. Yet the feasts of the Lord, including the weekly sabbath, had apparently already been introduced to Israel by God himself long before they made the old covenant:

Exo 5:1 Afterward Moses and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, "Thus says the LORD God of Israel: 'Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in the wilderness.'

So they knew that God wanted them to observe a feast BEFORE the old covenant was struck.

Exo 12:17 So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.
Exo 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
Exo 12:19 For seven days no leaven shall be found in your houses, since whoever eats what is leavened, that same person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a stranger or a native of the land.

Again this was given BEFORE the old covenant was instituted. These are the feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread. The festivals of our Lord Jesus fall outside of the covenants.

Further evidence of this is Zechariah:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain.
Zec 14:18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

In the future, after Christ returns, note that it's STILL a condition of worship of Jesus Christ that his followers observe his holy days.

The books of Hebrews notes many changes in the administration of the new covenant and old covenant, but changing or banning the Holy days of Jesus Christ is not among them. Biblically at least.

16 posted on 10/03/2009 1:19:51 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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