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To: Jvette
The points I made, the Scripture I gave all were ignored.

No they weren't ignored.

"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." ((2 Cor. 12:4).

We could SURMISE what Paul heard, and make an entire religion around those suppositions, and claim verses implicit in those asserttions. At least we KNOW Paul was caught up into paradise. That's not IMPLICIT in Scripture. That is EXPLICIT>

4,666 posted on 07/31/2010 5:45:44 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

Yes, all ignored. Not one addressed or refuted. Rather you focused on one word, and now use that word to proffer a ridiculous argument for something that no one has ever considered, at least not to my knowledge.

The truth is that many, many theologians have contemplated the Assumption of Mary in light of Scripture and Tradition and written far more complex and enlightened treatises on it that I, an autodidact, could never attempt.

The few verses and the simple explanation I gave were meant to show that the doctrine can be fully supported from what we know to be true in Scripture.

I have never understood the hostility to the doctrines of Mary that so many protestants embrace. That she was born without the stain of original sin, remained a virgin and was assumed into heaven is not a threat to any other Christian. In fact she ought to be an inspiration as the one who has received in full the promises Christ has made to all who believe in Him.

There is only one plausible reason, not a good one to me, but a reason none the less and that is that the rejection of Mary is merely a result of the hostile rejection of the authority of Rome brought about by the reformation.

What is truly funny about that, though, is that Luther loved the Blessed Mother and defended her quite vehemently. He also never gave up his belief in the Eucharist.

Do you truly feel that the doctrines of Mary are harmful to your salvation? Do you truly feel that to believe these things about her could cause you to go to hell or to not have eternal life with Christ? Do you think that if you stand before Jesus after praying the rosary, or having a statue of His mother in your home, or singing her praises, He will look at you and say, “I never knew you, depart from me.”?

I don’t believe that. Does that make me demonic? Does that mean I love Jesus less or that I think that I can be saved by any other than Him? I know that Mary is Mary because Jesus is God. Like me, she is nothing without Him. All she is is due to Him. All we believe, we believe because of Him. I do not envy what she was given as it is no more than what I receive as a Christian and that is grace and eternal life in heaven.


4,740 posted on 07/31/2010 7:55:14 PM PDT by Jvette
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