Born-Again zealots always make sure that Jesus Crucified is not on the Cross
Posted on 05/16/2024 7:11:27 AM PDT by ebb tide
Born-Again zealots always make sure that Jesus Crucified is not on the Cross
In Holy Scripture, St. Paul says, “There shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears.” (2 Timothy 4:3)
The sound doctrine of Christ is to embrace and live the Cross of Christ and to do penance for our sins, but instead we have false teachers today who run about luring millions into the deception of presuming on God’s mercy. This heresy has especially taken root in the “born-again” sect, which is grounded in the unwillingness to account for sin. The born-again formula is to simply accept Christ as “personal savior” to secure “being saved” without any need for works, penance, or prayer.
However, this personal savior formula is worthless and unfounded. Nowhere in the Gospel does Christ prescribe such a thing, nor is the term “personal savior” found anywhere in the Bible.
Abstract and Impersonal
The fact is that the born-again religion is very abstract and impersonal. They cry “Lord, Lord,” but they don’t want to see Christ’s pictures, they don’t want to see his face, they don’t want to hear his voice, they refuse to hear his prophets, they refuse to obey his commands, they mock his miracles and saints, they refuse to look at a Crucifix – they want nothing to do with him! They just want to scrap Catholicism and feel “saved” on account of it.
Luther’s definition of “repent” was to protest the Catholic Church and the born-again sect echoes this ideology to the core. What they have fashioned for themselves is a manmade counter-church without spirit – a golden calf.
Luther’s Invention
The born-again idea of unconditional forgiveness was started by Martin Luther. As a secret society initiate, he engaged in lengthy conversations with the devil, which in turn gave birth to his “doctrine on justification.” He referred to the Catholic Church as a “whore” and called the pope a “pig.” He lived a life of adultery and blasphemed Christ by saying:
“Christ committed adultery first of all with the woman at the well… Secondly with Mary Magdalene, and thirdly with the woman taken in adultery.” (Luther’s Works, American Edition, Volume 54, p. 154, Concordia Publishing House.)
With his blackened conscience catching up with him, Luther then invented the idea of “sin and be saved” so that he wouldn’t have to feel accountable for his sins.
Luther’s famous quote to his associate Philip Melanchthon expresses perfectly his doctrine on justification.
"Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly…. No sin will separate us from the Christ, even though we commit fornication and murder a thousand times a day.” (From Luther’s letter to Philip Melanchthon, August 1, 1521, LW Vol. 48, pp. 281, 282)
Herein lies the crux of Luther’s doctrine, which forms the basis of the Born-Again religion. According to the born-again “Christians,” one needn’t obey God to be saved since Jesus “already paid the price,” but Jesus didn't die on the Cross so we can sin. He died rather that we may never sin again. He said, "Follow me," he didn't say follow our lusts and passions, or to run after false prophets.
People will argue that Christ is Savior and that only he can save. Christ indeed is the Savior of the world but he won’t save anyone unless they obey him. “For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.” (Romans 2:13)
Heaven Gained by Merit
One is justified by works, love, and obedience, not by empty lip service. As Christ says, "Why do you call me, Lord, Lord; and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6: 46) What Christ requires is obedience and the keeping of his commandments. "If you love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15)
Scripture tells us that Christ will "render to every man according to his works." (Romans 2:6) The Apostle James reminds us that “faith without works is dead.” (James 2: 20,26). Christ Himself said that neglecting good works incurs eternal damnation. On Judgment Day He will declare to the negligent:
“Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me…. And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.” (Matthew 25: 41-43, 46)
Being Born Again is about Being Baptized
Born-again zealots often quote Christ’s words to Nicodemus concerning spiritual rebirth, thinking the Bible is on their side, but their idea of being born again has no scriptural basis. Being born again refers strictly to Catholic Baptism whereby one is cleansed from the guilt of Original Sin. As Christ himself said, “Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5) Note that the application of water is indispensable. There is no spiritual rebirth without the application of water.
Salvation Granted Only After Death
Being born again (baptized) simply places one on the path to salvation, but to be saved we must “work out our salvation with fear and trembling” (Philip. 2:12) and “persevere to the end.” (Matt. 24:13) There is no “being saved” in this life. Salvation is granted after death.
While the Apostles sometimes refer to our “being saved,” they mean it in the sense of being rescued and brought onboard onto Peter’s Barque, since anyone can fall from grace and be like the dog that “returns to its vomit.” (2 Peter 2:22) St. Paul makes it clear to the Ephesians:
"Know you this and understand, that no fornicator, or unclean, or covetous person (which is a serving of idols), hath inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words. For because of these things cometh the anger of God upon the children of unbelief. Be ye not therefore partakers with them. (Ephesians 5:5,6)
Note that the Apostle is speaking to the Ephesians who were baptized (reborn). He warns them not to be deceived, that anyone without exception who offends mortally will not be saved.
He likewise exhorted the Galatians to “Stand fast, and be not held again under the yoke of bondage.” (5:1) He says they are “fallen from grace” and “made void of Christ” who return to circumcism and who fall to the works of the flesh (4,5). He identifies the works of the flesh as “fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury… sects, envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like” and goes on to say ”that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21)
Again, the Apostle was speaking to those who were reborn, warning that they will lose their salvation if they fall from grace.
No Forgiveness Without Forgiving
Still again, Jesus says in the Gospel, “If you will not forgive men, neither will your Father forgive you your offences.” (Mt. 6:15) What this means is that if one doesn’t repent of this sin but dies holding a grudge, he will not be forgiven but will be banished from the Kingdom, whether he is reborn or not.
But the born-agains will retort by saying, “Oh no, it doesn’t apply to me because I’m already saved,” but Christ didn’t say that. Under the pretext of honoring scripture, they use the scriptures to advance their contempt of scripture and its Author.
Misunderstanding about the Works of the Law
The born-again group has their pet verses of scripture marked out thinking falsely that they support their ideology, but to them Christ says: “Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me.” (John 5:39) One of their favorite verses is from Romans.
“By the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before him… For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law.” (Romans 3: 20, 28)
When St. Paul repeatedly tells us that we are not justified by the works of the law, he’s not speaking of good works, which Christ commanded, but is speaking of the ceremonial works of the old Jewish Law where they did circumcism and offered animals in sacrifice. Christ came to do away with all that. The Apostle is simply saying that we’re not justified by being Jew but are justified by being Christian.
One True Church
The Catholic Church is the One Institution of Faith established by Christ, outside of which there is no salvation. The Church is the unwritten word of God while the Bible is the written word, but both are of equal authority and must be accepted by the faithful. St. Paul himself says:
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” (2 Thess. 2:14) That is, whether by our spoken word or by our written word.
Revelation then is twofold, i.e., the Church and the Bible. Faith consists of embracing all that Christ left us yet the protestant-born again sects reject the unwritten word as well as seven canonical books of the Bible, i.e., the six deuterocanonical books and the Epistle of James.
Where is their love of the Bible? Luther’s ‘Bible only’ idea (sola scriptura) was just an excuse to get away from Christ. He was all about protesting Christian morals and then using the Bible to excuse this, which is what the born-agains do. They twist and use scripture to justify their rebellion, but anyone of spiritual sense should understand that looking for excuses for sinning in the Bible is not the way to Heaven.
How is it that they miss this?
I’m not making anything up.
All anyone has to do is read your posting history. Unfortunately for you, it’s there for all to see and while you can deny the obvious all you want, you can’t change the facts.
You read only what you want to read into things.
Like I said, I’ll pray for you.
I'm not about to deny any of the truths of the Catholic Church.
I'm sorry you find those truths to be offensive.
That's silly. No one votes for dogma.
She doesn’t find Sunday-keeping to be offensive.
——>Nobody is stopping any of you from joining/rejoining the Catholic Church.
I keep telling you, Ebb, by showing their allegiance in Sunday-keeping, they are De Facto members of the Catholic church. Your church has CLEARLY stated this many times.
——>Show us where Ravi ever preached salvation was by grace and then it was fine to live a life of sin and we would be welcomed into heaven with open arms.
The fact that he preached OSAS is EVIDENCE ENOUGH, because no matter what that person does after that microsecond decision, THEY ARE GOING TO HEAVEN and nothing or no one can keep them out. No amount of sin, over untold years, matters in the least. Sure, there will be a few less jewels in their waiting crowns, but they’re still going to heaven. Right?
——>You twist this awesome gift of grace into a perverse idea that it means God winks at sin instead of disciplining us as His children and is constantly conforming us into the image of Christ.
Funny, but I never thought the image of Christ as a serial adulterer, rapist, or liar, BECAUSE HE WASN’T. He kept His Father’s commandments, as He expects us to do. Ravi should have been more focused on that. Luckily for him, he believed in OSAS and he’s STILL going to heaven? The wages of sin is death. That is a very clear biblical statement. But, every sin, repentant or not, is forever vaporized at the moment of grace according to OSAS/OJAJ. Ravi is home free.
——>and then seals us with the Holy Spirit of promise until the day of redemption.
Not if one lives a life of unrepentant sin
2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
——>Imagine the hubris of setting oneself up to be the substitute judge and jury for Almighty God and presuming to know another’s heart!
Like someone claiming all OSAS/OJAJ are now and forever saved, no matter how much sin, repentant or not, one commits later on in life after they claim Christ’s grace, when the bible CLEARLY says otherwise?
——>This has been explained to you dozens of times yet you get amnesia at every chance in order to condemn those who don’t follow your Seventh Day Adventist cult.
So clear, yet you just can’t seem to understand.
Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And for your information, the 7th-day-Sabbath is in the 4th commandment. People can break and teach all they want. Christ has already dealt with that in Matthew 5 (all commandments). Those people WILL NOT BE IN HEAVEN. It is a clear statement from Jesus Christ. No doubt. Crystal clear. Additionally, any change in commandments, like making the 4th null and void, would have to have happened BEFORE Christ’s death. Once the Mediator is dead, THERE ARE NO CHANGES. Hebrews 9 makes that very clear.
Then there’s Revelation 14:12 as mentioned above. God’s saints KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Lawlessness will not be tolerated. They which practice it will never enter heaven. It’s safe to say that Ravi practiced lawlessness. The question remains, did he sincerely repent and will he be in heaven? The answer to that question IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS, because I’m not God. But, there is certainly a lesson there for all to see. Don’t like it? Take it up with John MacArthur.
John MacArthur questions Ravi Zacharias salvation
https://youtu.be/L2tpwVrBEz0
Certainly not. My standard is the bible. My church meets the standard of the Remnant Church, yours (whatever that is) does not. One would think that where we are, at the end of this world, that more than just one person, you, would know and understand the truth as you tell it, at least in terms of your posted statements on prophecy, etc...
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The bible says Satan deceives the whole world.
Your Church essentially says the only people that aren’t deceived by Satan is your SDA denomination and Antichrist Judaism that denies the Son.
That Son isn’t the Good Friday Lamb.
That Son is the Passover Lamb, in accordance with the Old Testament scriptures which are included in your Bible,yes?
Which Lamb does Judaism follow?
The same False Lamb your church follows.
So much so, that one can observe deceived Judaism postpone His annual 15th Day Sabbath, a day they were to have on their foreheads and hands, as a sign, per that Bible you say is your standard..
Judaism isn’t alone in ignoring that day. End times Christianity also ignores that day.
You apparently have a hang up that few in Judaism or Christianity would dare proclaim both religions full of false doctrines and false worship.
Thing is. Satan deceives the whole world.
Judaism AND Christianity included.
I’m not trying to sell either or. They’re both Babylonian.
When reading Revelation, I’ve heard the call to flee Babylon.
You and Judaism need the Pope.
A believer in the Messiah of Israel does not.
A Gentile believer does not.
Judaism and Christianity in the end of this age need the Pope.
It’s refreshing to stand on the opposite side of the powers and principalities in the end times and await their fall.
I’ve been led to test and prove all things.
Even nonsensical things that you wake up not questioning, like Monday May 20.
Satan and the Pope offer me Monday May 20th as a reality.
It’s a Babylonian reality, but no less the gospel truth to Babylon.
I choose to not buy what Satan and the Pope sells..
That most certainly is very rare in the end times.
Most don’t even know the Father and Son offer gold,refined by fire that’s more rewarding and wealthy compared to Monday May 20th.
To each their own in that regard.
Fleeing Babylon means something different to me than you.
Antichrist means something different to me than you.
Beast means something different to me than you.
Passover means something different to me than you
Unleavened Bread means something different to me than you
First Fruits means something different to me than you
In the Beginning means something different to me than you
Amazing Genesis through Revelation can be read in the same English language and one can see
Friday,Saturday,Sunday in there (they aren’t)
And one can see
Passover, Unleavened Bread,First in there (they are)
And have completely different versions of Jesus and Truth.
The Pope’s Jesus isn’t the Truth.
You don’t have a problem with that.
I did..
——>Your Church essentially says the only people that aren’t deceived by Satan is your SDA denomination and Antichrist Judaism that denies the Son.
My church says that??? By definition, Judaism is already deceived. So, you already got that one wrong. And, my church certainly does not teach that. Did you hear that from some expert Bible School graduate on FR? Is there any reason why an SDA should be deceived? Nope. Will some of them? Maybe. Will all SDA’s be in heaven? Nope. I know plenty of them that don’t live according to the bible. I hope they change their lives before it’s too late. Same for every other deceived Christian in the world.
You claim that Saturday is the Father’s Sabbath from the beginning.
Or your harlot denomination does..
That’s exactly what Judaism proclaims too..
They prove that every Papal week, every Papal month, every Papal year.
They at least don’t describe the Vatican and Papacy in terms like Little Horn, Antichrist, etc..
That’s what the SDA says out of one side of their mouth, then on the other side of their mouth say the God uses the Antichrist Papacy to determine His appointments like His Sabbath when He really uses His lights in the firmament, His Word and His Son instead..
And SDA can’t seem to see the irony that they trust the Little Horn and Antichrist in their work and worship like the rest of the deceived world does..
Your post literally makes no sense at all. Gibberish.
That’s how I feel when you declare the continuous 7 day lie from creation and that the Beast and Antichrist calendar days and weeks reflect it perfectly..
Like your denomination can’t see their reliance on a Beast system as a big red flag.
Like when Passover and the Beast’s Good Friday aren’t the same day.
Berean types might be bothered by that sort of thing if they try to square the scriptures with worship of the Father in Spirit and Truth vs what the Beast and Antichrist system sells
I am asking you again. Does anyone on this site agree with your gibberish? NAME ONE PERSON.
One person. Just one.
One person that agrees that the Beast and Antichrist are at work today and have a Christian Lamb like look but speaks as a dragon?
What about the Pope having a false Christ and false gospel is a rallying cry in Roman Catholicism or Protestant daughters these days?
500 years later,and the Papacy has harlot daughters defending it..
Including SDA when confronted with scriptures..
Like the daughters are going to stick up for the scriptures when their own closely held beliefs align way too close to what the bible would label Antichrist..
What would the daughters do without the Papacy December 25?
Count on the scriptures to reveal to them when the manchild was born?
What would the daughters do without the Papacy February 2?
Count on scripture to reveal to them when He was presented in the temple and why Simeon and Anna were there looking for consolation and fasting and praying night and day?
What would the daughters do without the Papacy Good Friday?
Count on scripture to reveal to them why Passover and every 14th Day is in the middle of His months, like the Lamb is in the middle of the throne scene and 24 elders and 4 Beasts in Revelation?
What would the daughters do without the Papacy Easter Sunday?
Count on scripture to reveal that the 3rd Day from every 14th day is the Father’s 1st day, and why Israel was fed exactly 30 days after Christ was risen as First Fruits?
They could count on scripture and know that after about 60 days from Christ’s resurrection, Israel was given His Covenant Law, the 10 Commandments.
They could then count on scripture and know that after 100 days from Christ’s resurrection, Israel received the tables of the Covenant, the 10 Commandments , and about 3,000 in Moses’s day were killed, while about 3,000 in Christ’s day were saved..
Funny how rejecting the Beast, Antichrist Papacy and Pope can lead to great revelation about the Word Made Flesh,His life,death, resurrection,His parables,His plan.
And being in a harlot daughter isn’t fleeing Babylon, so why would one expect a lot of amens from a crowd bent on arguing with Mother in vain?
One person, just one.
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