Too bad. Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass.
Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Were the 10 Commandments in effect from Adam to Moses, or after Sinai? I’m surprised to find there is clear scripture dealing with this same question.
Read it for your self.
Deut 5:1-22
1. And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
2. The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
4. The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,
5. (I stood between the Lord and you at that time, to shew you the word of the Lord: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying,
6. I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7. Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
The other 8 Commandments are continued.
Moses had stood between God and Israel on mount Horeb and received the Law, and then took it down to them some 40 years prior to this account in Deut 5:1. Now he made it clear to this larger assembly of Israelites that this was the same Law he had received earlierso they could never be confused as to any other claims of the law being given to them at different times by different people.
Notice these are the same Commandments written in stone.
V-22 These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
V-3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
3. The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
Can there be any doubt left on this matter?
JH
(Reg) The Council declared him a heretic and anathematized him. Pope Leo II signed off on it. They didn't say anything about waiting for your contrived explanation.
Pope Leo, at that time, explained what was meant by the Council. It is that that I use to determine how to understand the Council. You can, of course, ignore anything that is inconvenient to your theory.
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A riot. I already told you that Honorius was condemmed for not acting faster in stamping out the heresy. That's all. And that is not a matter of faith, but rather one of discipline.
I must have missed where you posted Pope Leo's "explanation" at the time he signed off on the Council's findings. Please enlighten me. While you are at it please how "heresy" can be defined as anything but a matter of faith.
I haven't posted such. I am relying on secondary sources at the moment. You have to understand the political tensions between the East (always the fertile soil for heresy) and the West. Eastern bishops looked to Honorius to approve of their language. The language was ambiguous enough that the Easterners were able to use it to argue heresy.
But this was not the meaning that Honorius approved of. He was misunderstood, on purpose, by those in the east. he never taugh heresy, but his words were used for such. Much like God isn't guilty if someone uses the Bible to teach error.
Due to being the hotbed of heresy for so long, the East wanted to save face when the Council corrected their abuses. So they insisted on having Honorius included in the list of dishonors.
While you are at it please how "heresy" can be defined as anything but a matter of faith.
It can't.
SD
Freshly installed in Texas Stadium. It's what the Cowboys practiced on in San Antonio. It first glance, I thought it was natural grass.
I made it just fine. Get to work, and get on the tread mill:)
Becky
The definition of Torah = Revelation & instruction. Because God made a covenant with a nation doesn't mean He never instructed people how to live before that. The covenant with Israel is a covenant with a nation. This covenant doesn't exclude pre-mosaic peoples from instruction from God. Yes, there can be alot of doubt left on this matter. :-)
You are contradicting yourself. Honorius was convicted of Heresy and was anathematized by the council. This was affirmed by Pope Leo II. You are now agreeing that Honorius was convicted on a matter of faith.
Politics, schmolitics, Heresy is still heresy.
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(Reg) I must have missed where you posted Pope Leo's "explanation" at the time he signed off on the Council's findings. Please enlighten me.
I haven't posted such. I am relying on secondary sources at the moment. You have to understand the political tensions between the East (always the fertile soil for heresy) and the West. Eastern bishops looked to Honorius to approve of their language. The language was ambiguous enough that the Easterners were able to use it to argue heresy.
But this was not the meaning that Honorius approved of. He was misunderstood, on purpose, by those in the east. he never taugh heresy, but his words were used for such. Much like God isn't guilty if someone uses the Bible to teach error.
Due to being the hotbed of heresy for so long, the East wanted to save face when the Council corrected their abuses. So they insisted on having Honorius included in the list of dishonors.
Worthless! Dave, this is worthless spin. You make a dogmatic statement that Honorius was not convicted of heresy but for not acting fast enough. Now you claim that his words were twisted.
There is a record; Honorius's words, the Councils words, and Leo II's words. Why don't you work from this rather than some lame apologetics drivel?
Rye is good as long as they don't put in caraway seeds. The prohibition against mixing dairy and meat is rabbinic, not from the Torah. As an unorthodox Jew, I don't at this time observe this aspect of kashrut.
LOL!
Oh, there is no question about that. But if they are not cognizant of their ancestry, or if there is no clear proof of lineage, they would still need to go through a conversion process.
OK, then I do agree with you.
Can you imagine a team with a below-.500 record making the playoffs? It could happen.
Too bad. Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass.
Pay attention! First his words were twisted. Then he wasn't quick enough in catching on to the deception and stopping it.
There is a record; Honorius's words, the Councils words, and Leo II's words. Why don't you work from this rather than some lame apologetics drivel?
Excuse me for trying to provide some context. I realize that a sola scriptura adherent has no time for trying to understand how and why something was written. Whatever contemporary meaning he can gin up is good enough.
(Can't we go back to talking football?)
SD
Not for me. He made a covenant with Noah, but not this covenant.
I doubt it. But it is possible. (And imagine the 10-6 team who gets "bumped" out in this scenario!)
Too bad. Football is meant to be played outdoors, on grass.
I'm with ya 100% on the outdoors thing. Up there aboive the timber line you just have "frozen tundra." We'd have to deal with too much mud down here in the temperate regions.
SD
God gave certain men knowledge of selected ordinances prior to Sinai.
Mankind was not ready for all the Laws God had in store for them, because until they had a history of their mistakes, they'd never have been able to understand what they meant or why he gave them.
Here is a list of the laws He had given the certain men.
1 Offerings
2 Alters
3 Priest
4 Titles
5 Circumcision
6 Marriage
Feel free to point out any that are missing.
God gave Israel the Sabbath rest, because while in captivity in Egypt they had no rest, and Egypt had a 10 day week which did not allow for a day off.
Some of the Israelites had prayed to God for help and He had pity on them and sent Moses.
He gave them the Sabbath because not having a rest day had been a major cause of their falling away from God.
When they had lived off the land and farmed, during the times of Jacob and Isaac and Abraham, they were free to take any rest day they wanted, but that all ended in Egypt.
Thats why God gave them a specific day of rest.
JH
JH
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