Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Have a blessed Feast of Weeks. Well, I know where you could find a lighter yoke? :-)
You left one out.Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.How do you read that? Will. In Paradise.
See post #56016
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Do you read James differently than I do? To saved people James says: Endure temptation and receive the crown, or succumb to it, be lead into sin, and die. Which is just what John writes in Revelations above. James shows us two sides of the same coin: Life eternal, or death. The "crown" is poetic speech.James 1:12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.Can you show me in scripture where Jesus promised a crown to anyone? What did he promise? Life. And that is just what James is saying here, and what others mean when they refer to crowns, eternal life. The "crown" is a metaphor.
That's an interesting interpretation. You're saying that James is speaking to saved people (i.e. christians), and telling them that if they yield to temptation, ... they will die.
However, JESUS says that true christians (His sheep) will never die.John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:----------------------------------------------------
10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
What does Paul mean when he says "Castaway?" The same word ADOKIMOS is used by Paul here:2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?it means: not standing the test, not approved, unfit, unproved, reprobate
2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
Paul uses ADOKIMOS in 2Cr to refer to those who do not have Christ in them, and he uses ADOKIMOS in 1Cr 9:27 to refer to what could happen to him if he did not stay in mastery of himself. Don't you think he would have used a different word if he meant something different? Given the parallel concepts between James, Revelations and here, you can only conclude he chose the word deliberately, and meant just exactly what James meant in 1:12. and Jesus clearly stated in Revelations 2:7.
In the 2 Corinthians 13:5-6 passage, the word (contextually) refers to one's salvation (i.e. ... whether ye be in the faith).
In the 1 Corinthians 9:27 passage, the word (contextually) refers to one's calling (i.e. ... that I abuse not my power in the gospel).
No arguement there.
Only those who believe will overcome.
Indeed, ... the scriptures say that those who believe will overcome.
I don't get it, are you guys anxious to finish this thread off, when it might not be renewed?
JH ?:-(
What's this now?
Are you saying we have to believe to be saved? Sounds like works to me. Lol
JH :-)
The "keys" are a known metaphor denoting authority to "bind and loose". I will let the following excerpt from The Jewish New Testament Commentary speak for me. This is commentary of Matthew 18:18 which also mentions "binding and loosing":
The words rendered "prohibit" and "permit" (v. 18) are, literally, "bind" and "loose." These terms were used in first century Judaism to mean "prohibit" and "permit," as is clear from the article, "Binding and Loosing," in the Jewish Encyclopedia, 3:215: "BINDING AND LOOSING" ... Rabbinical term for 'forbidding and permitting.' ... "The power of binding and loosing was always claimed by the Pharisees. Under Queen Alexandra the Pharisees, says Josephus (Wars of the Jews 1:5:2), 'became the administrators of all public affairs so as to be empowered to banish and readmit whom they pleased, as well as to loose and to bind.' ... The various schools had the power 'to bind and to loose'; that is, to forbid and to permit (Talmud: Chagigah 3b); and they could bind any day by declaring it a fast-day ( ... Talmud: Ta'anit 12a ... ). This power and authority, vested in the rabbinical body of each age or in the Sanhedrin, received its ratification and final sanction from the celestial court of justice (Sifra, Emor, ix; Talmud: Makkot 23b).
"In this sense Jesus, when appointing his disciples to be his successors, used the familiar formula (Matt 16:19, 18:18). By these words he virtually invested them with the same authority as that which he found belonging to the scribes and Pharisees who 'bind heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but will not move them with one of their fingers'; that is, 'loose them,' as they have the power to do (Matt 23:2-4)....
...a very different, non-Jewish interpretation, equating binding and loosing with remitting and retaining sins (John 20:23), was adopted by Tertullian and all the church fathers, thus investing the head of the Christian Church with the power to forgive sins, referred to on the basis of Mt 16:18 as the "key power of the Church." Needless to say, I reject this later understanding which bears no relationship to the Jewish context. The Jewish New Testament Commentary, (Clarksville, MD: Jewish New Testament Publications) 1996.
Can't find it. Sure this is in Luke?
Save me some time? Where in the OT is a prophet speaking of this? Thanks
Help! I can't find this either.
I'm sorry, Cindy.
That should be Ephesians 2:8-10, rather than Galatians 2:8-10.
I searched the "Bible Gateway" in both the minor and major prophets using the words parable, parables, mouth, secret, secrets, & foundation and couldn't come up with it. If you have one of those study Bibles perhaps there are side notes in the margins that will denote the verse in the OT. Sorry.
Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
So now all our scripture has to be correct huh? Sheeeeees
I was just checkin ta see if ya were on yer toes. Lol
JH :-)
Psalms 78:1-3 Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth. I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us.
JH :-)
I think Jim found it, nothing else comes close.
One commentary says it's from the Septaugint, LXX, but I can't find a completed LXX English translation to check it against.
JH :-) Now are we havin fun?
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