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Yes, there's been a lot of hurt in the name of "holiness." But not from those who grasp the real message of the movement.

Honestly, I think that next to no one in the Holiness movement in general, and perhaps a handful in the Conservative Holiness movement, have any real grasp of the message. Check out www.fwponline.cc, the website of the Fundamental Wesleyan Society, and the articles in the Armininian Magazine index page there, to see what I mean.

I think the Holiness movement lost sight of its message around the time it shifted the emphasis from Wesleyan entire sanctification that perfects us in love, to that of a second-blessing baptism in the Holy Spirit that enables us not to sin--the privilege of any Christian worthy of the name (see 1 Jn. 2:1, 3:7-10, 5:18, etc.).

But I have to say, the Salvation Army is probably the only one that still gets the message straight, at least as an organization. "Soap, Soup, and Salvation!"

Honestly, I think that next to no one in the Holiness movement in general, and perhaps a handful in the Conservative Holiness movement, have any real grasp of the message.

I would simply say that there is more depth in the Holiness movement than you might realize.