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1 posted on 04/06/2002 12:38:05 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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2 posted on 04/06/2002 5:57:02 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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The ultimate and final disobedience of the Jews was their rejection of Christ. A hardening in part has taken place until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.(and that will take place on the Last Day) Kindly give me one New Testament promise of the restoration of the Jews. You cannot find one.

In their final rejection of the Messiah, God has cut them off from His promises and has given the fulfillment of His promises to those who repent and believe. Galatians deals with this very extensively. The New Covenant has come. The Old has passed away. The unconditional Covenant made with Abraham is being fulfilled daily when sinners repent and turn to God in faith.

There are some serious questions you must ask yourself. I once believed as you did. I was steeped in "rightly dividing the word." My theme song was, "My hope is built on nothing less, than Scofield's notes and references." But God in His grace and mercy opened my eyes. And I pray He does the same for you. You make God to be a bigamist (or worse yet a fornicator) if you hold to your beliefs - married to a wife Israel and have another bride the church (or worse yet, a mistress). You may not state that openly but your belief carried to it's logical conclusion states that.

I implore you to search the Scriptures without your precious dispensational outline and let God speak to your heart. You can come to only one conclusion when you read Galatians, and Romans and the Gospels. God is finished dealing with natural Israel and now focuses His love and attention on his Birde, the church. Why is that so hard for you dispensationalists to see? Why do you keep harping back to Old Testament conditional promises? Why can't you see that God is finished dealing with a specific nation and now deals with all nations without discrimination? Why can't you let the New Testament interpret the Old Testament? Why do you continue to love the shadow when the substance has come? Why do you continue to not give Christ His proper place as Husband to His Bride, the Church.? Why do you continue to hold preference to national Israel over the New Testament chruch, God's true chosen ones?

3 posted on 04/06/2002 6:01:31 AM PST by sola gracia
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"The Bible is clear that God considers a true Jew to be a person who has the same faith as Abraham did. Jesus explained that the faith which Abraham had included believing and knowing Him (John 8:56-58)."

By this definition, it is clear that since I have the same faith as Abraham, I must, therefore, be a Jew! This is why dispensationalism is so thoroughly anti-biblical and heretical and truly ~is~ the reason the historical Christian faith had never thought of this concept in it's first 1800 years of existence.

Jean

4 posted on 04/06/2002 8:10:26 AM PST by Jean Chauvin
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>The Jews were subsequently in Egypt for 400 years, but then delivered by Yahweh. God used Moses to bring the Jews back to their Land.

An interesting and thoughtful article. Permit me to point out that there were no Jews until well after the split between the Northern and Southern Kingdoms. Most scholars assert the title "Jew" was not used until the return of the remnants of the Southern Kingdom from Babylonian captivity ~500 BC.

Therefore, all reference to of the word "Jew" prior to that time should be to "Israelites" instead. Here is a partial list which may be helpful:

Partial list of Biblical CHARACTERS WHO WERE NOT JEWISH

  Genesis:  God, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Lot, Abraham,
  Sara, Melchizedek, Eliezer, Hagar, Ishmael, Isaac, Abimelech, Rebekah, Laban, Keturah, Esau, Jacob/Israel, Leah,
  Rachel, Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dinah,
  Potiphar, Tamar, Perez, Zerah, Manasseh, Ephraim.

  Exodus:  Moses, Zipporah, Gershom, Jethro, Aaron, Eleazar, Joshua, Hur, Nadab, Abihu, Ithamar, Bezalel, Uri,
  Nun, Oholiab, Ahisamach.

  Leviticus:  Mishael, Elzaphan, Uzziel, Molech, Shelomith, Dibri.

  Others:  David, Solomon and Sampson were not Jews, among many others...
 

20 posted on 04/06/2002 4:02:46 PM PST by LostTribe
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