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To: xzins;Frumanchu; fortheDeclaration; WinstonChurchill; Corin Stormhands;drstevej;irishtenor...
THIRD, the election of particular individuals to be the children of God and heirs of eternal life. This Arminianism always and rightly regards as conditional upon faith in Christ, and as including ALL who believe.

So God selects those that select Him first ??Once they believe he is god then He becomes God and selects them.Sounds like a "plan" just not a scripitual one:>)))

Psa 65:4 Blessed [is the man whom] thou choosest, and causest to approach [unto thee, that] he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, [even] of thy holy temple.

Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

Mark 13:20; And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

He is sure a lucky God to have such clever , smart men select and elect Him

31 posted on 04/27/2002 7:07:12 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
He is sure a lucky God to have such clever , smart men select and elect Him.

I like your pretty-colored fonts but I sure wish you could find a modern translation. I am not smart enough to interpret Elizabethan English built on a medieval Byzantine text. Must be my misspent youth.

Oh, and the reasoning you use to reach your conclusion makes me wonder if you also write about scroll saw work under the pseudonym "Kerry Shirts"?

32 posted on 04/27/2002 7:30:45 AM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: RnMomof7, Xzins, winstonchurchill, Revelation 911
THIRD, the election of particular individuals to be the children of God and heirs of eternal life. This Arminianism always and rightly regards as conditional upon faith in Christ, and as including ALL who believe. So God selects those that select Him first ??Once they believe he is god then He becomes God and selects them.Sounds like a "plan" just not a scripitual one:>)))

Well, it is a Plan, and very much scriptural.

Psa 65:4 Blessed [is the man whom] thou choosest, and causest to approach [unto thee, that] he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, [even] of thy holy temple.

Same Psa. O thou that hearest prayer unto thee shall all flesh come.

Isa 45:4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

That is the unconditional election of Israel as the Priest nation. No one denies unconditional election for particular activities. Christ was unconditionally elected to the the Christ (Isa.42) and Cyrus (Isa.45)

Mark 13:20; And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days

Yes, the elect in this case are the Jews who are part of the Elect nation of Israel.(see Matt.24:24)

John 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

That is correct, but you leave out verse 12 but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name

Now, verse 13 is just saying what Eph.2:8-9 is saying that the Plan is of grace, not of works.

Jhn 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Amen, again context! The previous verse states They said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Then the Lord answers that there is only one work you can do that God will accept and that is a nonwork (Rom.4:4-5)believe! This was the stumbling block for the Jews that it was faith that saved not works (the Law)(Rom.9:31-32), that it was only faith that would please God (Heb.11:6)

Jhn 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen! Christ also went on to say, And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of everyone which seeth the Son and believeth on him, may have everlasting life and I will raise him up on the last day (vs.40) The Pharisses were seeing the Lord but not believing. They were not doing the Father's will and therefore were not called

He is sure a lucky God to have such clever , smart men select and elect Him

One, you are the one claiming to be specially elected by God while most everyone else has been rejected. What makes you so special?

Two, what we are is fortunate to have is a Loving God who wants all men to be saved (1Tim.2:4, 4:10, Jn.12:32, 3:16, Rom.10:13, Ezx.33:11, Jn.3:17-21 and ofcourse 2Pet.3:9)

Not willing that any should perish. So wonderful is his love towards mankind, that he would have them all to be saved, and is of his own self prepared to bestow salvation on the lost...(Calvin)

35 posted on 04/27/2002 2:38:21 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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