[american colleen]

I've had my shiny hat on as well. You are right, of course. I overlooked the really sneaky #2 in favor of the easy to spot #3. Exactly who defines a "priest of integrity?" I think all priests have integrity as long as they adhere to the teachings of Rome which would include the vow of celibacy that they took... I'm sure VOTF has their own definition though.

Watch, listen and learn!

[sinkspur]

I think all priests have integrity as long as they adhere to the teachings of Rome which would include the vow of celibacy that they took.

If an orthodox celibate priest knew about pederasts and said nothing about them, he was not, and is not, a man of integrity.

Groups like this are rising up because American Catholics are sick and tired of forking over hard earned money and seeing it used as hush money, or seeing it wasted on things like that monstrosity of a Cathedral in Los Angeles.

Make no mistake about it: the Bishops Conference, and, by extension, the Vatican, are going to have to figure out a way to give lay Catholics more of a voice or at least the illusion that they have a voice (which is what I think will be the preferred course).

The man in the pew is tired of being played for a chump.