Posted on 05/09/2002 6:11:08 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Calvinistic evangelism is an oxymoron. If Calvinists were consistent in proclaiming what they believe in election they would state the Gospel like one reading a newspaper, no emotion, no appeal, just straight facts.
No great soul winner ever does that. They all have a passion for souls and it shows in their appeals for those listening to decide for Christ (even though Calvinism states that decision has already been made for them).
To be a soul-winner and a Calvinist you have to disconnect your Calvinism from your message and preach like all those listening can make a decision for Christ.
If you ever grasp what we are saying, you will grasp what we are saying, of course. But if you fail, it will be your failure, not ours.
This statement makes a lot of sense! But I do grasp it! You just want to have everything both ways, like any sophist would.
LOL. That joke was almost worth witnessing all the vitriol of this thread.
They just can't stay on topic.
God is the only soul winner.
When you really understand that, everything else falls into place.
All glory to God.
Amen!
When you really understand that, everything else falls into place.
Question: Yes, it does. Sirs, what must I do to be saved ?
Calvinist Answer: well, if God has regenerated you, you will believe and then you will be saved!
Bible answer: Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved
All glory to God.
Amen!
That is the simple true Gospel.
You know the Calvinists have run out of arguments when they charge you with blasphmy!
Either man is a spiritual corpse before salvation or he isn't. It is the Calvinists who are always saying that a dead man cannot do this or that. Yet, a dead man can be drawn somewhere before he is made alive. If God can do that, then the idea of Pevenient grace is just as plausable and far more biblical.
But suppose that question should have to be answered by any here in the negative (and I am afraid it must be), then let those who confess that they are not saved, hear the answer to another enquiry: "How can I be saved?" Ah, dear hearer, I have not to bring a huge volume nor a whole armful of folios to you, and to say, "It will take you months and Years to understand the plan of salvation." No, the way is plain, the method simple. Thou shalt be saved within the next moment if thou believest. God's work of salvation is, as far as its commencement and essence is concerned, instantaneous. If thou believes "that Jesus is the Christ, thou art born of God now. If thou dost now stand in spirit at the foot of the cross, and view the incarnate God suffering, bleeding, and dying there, and if as thou dost look at him, thy soul consents to have him for her Savior, and casts herself wholly on him, thou art saved.A very, simple straight forward Gospel presentation. It is Calvinism's philosophical presuppositions that muddy up the water freely offered to all men
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye buy and eat, yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price (Isa.55:1) In the last day that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst let him come unto me and drink (Jn.7:37)Now, tell me how dead men don't get thirsty but they do get drawn(or for the Calvinist dragged would be a better term)
Be wise now, remember this, and consider your latter end. What words shall I use to urge you to consider the subject and take my warning. Is heaven a place you would like to enter? Is hell a place you would like to avoid, or will you make your bed in it forever? Are you in love with eternal misery that you run to it so madly? Oh, stop; turn ye! Turn ye! Why will ye die? I do pray you stop and consider. Consideration does no man harm. Second thoughts here are for the best. Think and think, and think again, and oh, may God lead you, through thinking to feel you danger, and may you then accept that gracious remedy which is in Christ Jesus; for whosoever believeth in him is not condemned, whosoever trusts in Christ is saved. Sin is forgiven, the soul is accepted, the spirit is blessed the moment if trusts the Saviour.No Arminian could have said it better!
its also speaking in tongues ;-D amen Jesus
If thou art willing to suffer no adversity, how wilt thou be the friend of Christ? ... Thomas a Kempis (1380-1471)
No Woody, you had posts pulled over "basically nothing." You got banned because you where a smart-@$$ to the moderator. And that's AFTER you were warned by the Moderator AND Jim.
You guys run around here like you own the place. You whine about the moderator when your outrageous behavior is pointed out.
See you think you don't have to submit to authority. But worse you think that you're behavior doesn't matter to the cause of Christ because the elect will come anyway.
You forget Romans 13:1-5 (RSV)
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Jim and the AM are the governing authorities here. And as Jim says, if you don't like it, find somewhere else.
You also forget Matthew 18:6 (RSV)
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Woody, the high horse you're trying to ride in on is dead. Stop trying to beat him back to life.
I stand correct. Sorry to overlook you again Woody.
"ftd, are you saying God can do nothing? If you are you are....."
Hope that clears my post up.
LOL
Guess we all will need baptism once we get to Geneva.
The do not understand the topic..that is what Jesus meant when he said "let he that has ears hear"...They do not understand so they think of clever insults, and amusing gifs and hope the topic goes away. Well one way or another they will have an eternity to deal with it
And if Calvinism is the "Gospel" as your friends insist, then why is it that you haven't been baptized since you believedin Calvinism?
These are logical questions. These are simple questions. Why can't you give us an answer?
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
When I realized that the LDS Church was not teaching "the Gospel" I didn't keep going there. I left the Chruch. I didn't even look for a new church before I left. Now Mom, if you believe that Wesley taught a LIE, then why do you continue to fellowship at a Wesleyan Church? Its a simple question.
Also, if Calvinism is "the gospel" then how can you say yyou were saved before you became a Calvinist? You must believe "the gospel" before you are saved, musn't you? So if you didn't believe the Gospel until last December, then shouldn't you get Baptized again?
I'll be waiting patiently for your answers.
And please don't answer me with irrelevant questions again. Thanks.
Wrigley, you know that's not what ftd is saying.
To the Calvinists, the dead can't be drawn, can't hear, can't see, can't anything until they are regenerated. Right?
You guys are the ones saying God can't draw a dead man.
Knox, Bunyan, Brainerd, Whitefield, Carey, Evans, Spurgeon, and Lloyd-Jones were all Calvinists. And that's the short list.
These were some of the finest preachers in history.
Billy Graham seems cold and dry by comparison.
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